Alpha Jet

[kubanloewe]

I really would like to see this plane from Dornier/Dassault in DCS !!

 

It was one of the last analog input planes and the pilot felt all his inputs at his ass ----

i did not have selfsealed tanks, no armor at all !, dated missile radar warning and a simple gunshell could bring it into trouble.

the 2 engines were a huge safety factor for low level and oversea flight´s. range was 3500km with add tanks; weight only 3500kg.

max. 1000km/h without any weapon. The robust undercarriage made rough and difficult landings possible.

It was tiny and therefore a small footprint on enemy radars. Low level flights were possible in only 10m !!----

Perhaps it´s biggest advantage was the reliabilty and easy maintenance. After 12years in service and 388000 hours in the air the Luftwaffe counted only 12 accidents, 7 total losses, 2 death and 7 wounded crewmembers.

 

1 version as Trainer with short nose for flat spin training (French version).

1 version as Fighterbomber with long nose (German version).

 

The french needed a version (trainer) which was able to get in a flat spin and easy to recover. With the short nose it was posible to do that and with simple all hands off it recovered from the falt spin.

 

The Luftwaffe wanted a Fighterbomber which was safe, and could carry weapons. So the long nose prevent from flat spins and the plane could carry 1x27mm Mauser canon under the belly; 76 air/ground rockets, 6x250kg bombs, guided air/air missiles.

Edited October 16, 2017 by kubanloewe

[Buzzles]

There's a couple of mod teams working on it, both referenced in this thread:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=103799&page=10

[QuiGon]

Not another trainer pls...

(Yes I know it's also a CAS aircraft, but it's still a trainer at its core)

[ebabil]

-1

[Mig Fulcrum]

I don't find anymore Red Wing Simulation, what's happened to them?

[Northstar98]

+1 I quite like the Alpha Jet, it not only looks good but also should be quite fun to fly. AFAIK the UK has 4 (or is it 6) Alpha Jet A type aircraft that belongs to QinetiQ/ETPS

 

If we were to get one though, it would have to be in it's main variants that is the A, E, 2 and ATS (maybe in 2 separate packs for the 2 and ATS as the avionics in those aircraft differ considerably).

 

The thing is with DCS and full fidelity aircraft, most generation 4, 4+ and 5 aircraft are classified or too difficult to get access to documents/SMEs and thus are resounding nopes. What are the most popular aircraft wished for? 4, 4+ and in a few cases generation 5 aircraft. So at the moment in DCS we're restricted to mostly 2nd and 3rd generation aircraft with few exceptions: MiG-15Bis, F-86F, MiG-21Bis, AJS-37, F-5E, F-4E (WIP), MiG-19 (WIP) - the aircraft that constitute the vast majority of what we have to play with. Now there are some exceptions - the Mirage 2000C (4th generation), the F/A-18C (WIP, 4th generation) and the AV-8B Harrier II NA all are relatively modern aircraft.

 

In terms of actual aircraft wished for the F-16 seems the most popular, though we probably won't be getting that for at least another half a decade. Su-27s and variants? Pretty much nope, same for MiG-29s, F-15s etc. I've seen things like MiG-23s and Su-17/20/22 being mentioned but nothing yet. So really what's the group of aircraft with more accessible documentation, better access to current pilots and SMEs etc? Trainers/Light Attack Aircraft.

[WinterH]

There are a few "trainers" I'd sooner get than a Tomcat or Typhoon.

 

Some examples would be Super Tucano, Tucano, Yak-130.

 

Though Alpha Jet is not one of them even for me.

 

Like others have mentioned, there were two community projects on an Alpha Jet but not really full modules. One of them I think is a working condition but not sure if it is public. I am not sure if it will be picked up by official dev studios anytime soon, because in the end trainers won't as well as other aircraft.

 

May be the closest (even if distant and tiny) possibility for you is that, once Razbam has shown some renders done by a new 3d modeler of their, which included a Pampa, an aircraft while different, was at the very least inspired by Alphajet, but it is not clear if they will ever make a module out of even that.

[Ala12Rv-watermanpc]

Not another trainer pls...

(Yes I know it's also a CAS aircraft, but it's still a trainer at its core)

 

Agree.

[Jester986]

I'm not opposed to trainers, but what does this bring to the table that we don't already have? I love doing CAS in the L-39 and I'm way too excited for the Super Tucano being a modern prop plane. But I don't see this as adding to anything. Sorry man, -1.

[Stryker2000]

+1. I like a mix of aircraft in a scenario, as we would see in a real world campaign. Since we can grab any aircraft, it makes sense to put together a fighter/strike package of superfighters and superattack jets. But craft like the Hawk, Albatros, Avrojet and Alphajet serve a good purpose even in DCS. Small, nimble, they can even cause problems in a dogfight with a good pilot.

[Gladman]

Other than a Hawk 100, there's no need for another trainer. I'd only want the 100 because its part of the RCAF.

[NeilWillis]

Other than a Hawk 100, there's no need for another trainer. I'd only want the 100 because its part of the RCAF.

 

I agree, ED should concentrate purely on the aircraft I myself want. Therefore only RAF aircraft are ever going to be needed in the future - I am happy of course to give precise time lines and specify which mark of each will be required! :music_whistling: :music_whistling: :music_whistling:

 

Or maybe the developers should be allowed to develop what they feel the market will bear, doing suitable market research, feasibility studies of what modules can be made given their budget and experience, and according to the licenses that ED can grant to them.

 

Just a thought...

 

I was also highly amused that the first reply in this thread said "no more trainers"! Somehow I think the developers have all got that particular message by now.

[Jester986]

Nothing wrong with people wanting to see their homeland represented, even if it is unlikely. I'd respectfully disagree though about people not wanting trainers. The L-39 is well loved by a lot of people and I think another high quality trainer with broad appeal would be well received. Unfortunately the other two available have limited appeal and/or quality issues which I think is driving the negativity towards trainers. While it's light CAS before being a trainer I think the A-29 will be a hit when it comes out.

[Gladman]

I agree, ED should concentrate purely on the aircraft I myself want. Therefore only RAF aircraft are ever going to be needed in the future - I am happy of course to give precise time lines and specify which mark of each will be required! :music_whistling: :music_whistling: :music_whistling:

 

Or maybe the developers should be allowed to develop what they feel the market will bear, doing suitable market research, feasibility studies of what modules can be made given their budget and experience, and according to the licenses that ED can grant to them.

 

Just a thought...

 

I was also highly amused that the first reply in this thread said "no more trainers"! Somehow I think the developers have all got that particular message by now.

 

 

 

Yeah, I'll admit my comment didn't put a positive spin on a rather neutral question.

 

 

Your comment however has further pushed the boundary of who can be the most negative influence on the forum. Thanks for carrying the torch.

[Gladman]

Nothing wrong with people wanting to see their homeland represented, even if it is unlikely. I'd respectfully disagree though about people not wanting trainers. The L-39 is well loved by a lot of people and I think another high quality trainer with broad appeal would be well received. Unfortunately the other two available have limited appeal and/or quality issues which I think is driving the negativity towards trainers. While it's light CAS before being a trainer I think the A-29 will be a hit when it comes out.

 

 

 

Well stated.

 

 

Personally I think the L-39 is a fantastic module. Its well done and it works well. The thing I don't like about it is that its Russian and I of course prefer the North American variants of navigation, HUD symbology etc. For our Russian friends or those that want that experience I can see no reason to not want that airframe.

Your right, the other two just don't cut it and that's where I would like to see a Hawk 100. Its used by a fair number of nations and of course would have the instrumentation I pursue along with many others.

I have to admit that I am looking forward to the A-29. Its a different feel than other aircraft in DCS. If done properly, it'll be a very nice addition.

[Nooch]

Other than a Hawk 100, there's no need for another trainer. I'd only want the 100 because its part of the RCAF.

 

Other than an Alpha Jet, there's no need for another trainer. I'd only want the Alpha Jet because it's part of the French Air Force. ;)

[Jester986]

I don't mind the symbology, but I'd love to see a L-39 with ILS/VOR/Tacan support. There's certainly plenty that have been westernized flying around the States.

[Nooch]

I don't mind the symbology, but I'd love to see a L-39 with ILS/VOR/Tacan support. There's certainly plenty that have been westernized flying around the States.

 

Especially with NS 430 GPS support. That would be quite nice.

[Gladman]

Other than an Alpha Jet, there's no need for another trainer. I'd only want the Alpha Jet because it's part of the French Air Force. ;)

 

 

LOL, fair statement.

 

 

Beyond that, the RCAF has used a third party company that flies Alpha's for aggressors. So, hey, bring it on.

Edited October 17, 2017 by Gladman

[Stryker2000]

I do prefer ED and its partners to focus on delivering the meatier, sexier, more capable assets to us like the F-16 and 18, carriers and all that. But one aspect which is really lean in the toybox are a decent selection of light attack aircraft, as well as dedicated attack helicopters. For alternatives to the cliche Su-25 and A-10, online flyers will often go to WW II prop fighters!

 

I know these developers are at the mercy of the armed forces of the world, but some fudging would sure work for most of us. I'm hoping that at some point before Kim Jung decides to start flinging nukes, we get some serious capable light attack jets - not trainers - like the Alphajet and Yak-130, and heavier birds like the MiG-27 and A-7, which seems to be in the pipeline.

[Voltrock]

problem to join a game, i ve alphajet mod by i need to have alphajet AI by Airone??

 

 

Do u know the problem?? :)

[Red Dragon-DK]

Not another trainer pls...

(Yes I know it's also a CAS aircraft, but it's still a trainer at its core)

 

+1

[Kev2go]

the Alpha jet is only utilized as a trainer by UK and France.

 

 

Germany serviced Alpha Jet A it as a Light attack attack jet for CAS within attack squadrons. and would have in fact utilized as such if they had an opportunity to deploy somewhere while it was in service.

 

people will really need to get over the "trainer" label. The Alpha Jet A is about as much a trainer as the F-5 is a trainer compared to the T38.

 

 

Unlike L39ZA or C101CC the Alpha Jet A , has more modern avionics : INS for navigation, digital radio set, a HUD, CCIP and CCRP bombing modes, computed A2A gunnery, and a Radar warning receiver. Later upgraded integrated Aim9L sidewinder compatibility.

 

Also it is a higher performance jet than either of those 2 mentioned.

 

 

Edited January 31, 2019 by Kev2go

[Satarosa]

Light Aircraft

 

+1