Jester986 Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 Definitely going to buy it because of a lack of red aircraft and Razbam's previous work, but I don't know much about this plane... So what makes it an exciting module to get?
asla36 Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 The MiG-19p was the stepping stone to the MiG-21, having earlier variants of many of the systems present on that aircraft. The design specification specified "something that could out-maneuver anything the West had" but also required all-weather interception capabilities. It had a very advanced gunsight for it's time - allowing for a rough 0-visibility gun solution to be worked out. As well as this it had R3S missiles, 2 of them. So a beast in dogfights, and an all weather interceptor. With the added bonus of clunky early Soviet systems, like the sound based RWR (as in the late MiG-15s, though IIRC these are not yet modeled in DCS). The MiG-19pm is an all weather interceptor, focusing sully on its 4 SAR missiles - NO GUN! And the MiG-19s is the ultimate dogfighting variant, being the most maneuverable and equipped with the best guns. Though not carrying missiles. As well as this all of them (with the exception of the MiG-19pm, IIRC) can carry A/G munitions. Though the MiG-19pm's missiles could theoretically be used like the Groms. That's why I'm definitely going to get my hands an a MiG-19. DCS: MiG-23 [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Make it happen, and take my money! :D
Volator Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 Also, the MiG-19 was used by many countries, which makes it interesting for people either living in these countries or sympathising with them. The MiG-19 was also used in different versions in famous wars like Vietnam or the Middle East. With a Syria map in the making that is hopefully covering Israel as well, the MiG-19 will have a fantastic "playground". It also comes from an era where flying and fighting in the air was still something very hands-on, involving, not the "point and click to fire" of our times. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven
ESAc_matador Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 With the F5, Phantom F4, Mig21 and Mig19, we can replicate late 60 early 70s quite defently. I love this era.
MAD-MM Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 MIG-19 was the First supersonic Jet in the Soviet Inventroy, with all moving tail and not suffer from the instability at high Mach Numbers from the MIG-15/17 Designs... We need a Vietnam Map :D Once you have tasted Flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your Eyes turned Skyward. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 9./JG27
sascha01 Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) Correct me if i am wrong but i believe the USAF in the vietnam war feared the Mig-19 more than the Mig-21. The Mig-19 was far more superior in dogfight manouvering than the Mig-21. And it seemed the NVA pilots were more adapted to it than the “newer” 21. The Mig-21 was not a very logical follow up from 5he 15-17-19 series. A completly different bird and feathers. And the differences might have been to much for the fast and quick learning curve of the nva pilot. Edited February 13, 2018 by sascha01
Volator Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 Correct me if i am wrong but i believe the USAF in the vietnam war feared the Mig-19 more than the Mig-21. The Mig-19 was far more superior in dogfight manouvering than the Mig-21. According to "Clashes: Air Combat over North Vietnam, 1965–1972" the MiG-21 was seen as more dangerous by the USAF crews because it was the first NVA fighter with guided missiles, whereas the MiG-17 and MiG-19 were solely equipped with guns and needed to get in closer for the kill. Most of the kills the NVA scored were sneak-up attacks guided by GCA anyway, and here the Atoll-equipped MiG-21 was better off, being faster and having a better stand-off range. True dogfighting seemed to have happened not that often, and this goes with the basic analysis that in the history of air combat about 80% of all downed pilots never saw the attacker before they got shot down. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven
MAD-MM Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 Was looking sometime ago a quiet Intressting Doku about this stuff, and the NVA Tatics was not that bad at all... They send MIG-17/19 to attack the Strike Package heavy loaded F-105, when the F-4 Phantoms come for help they zoom in with the MIG-21 firing the Atoll Missiles and leave fast the Battle what the older MIgs cant do... They try most of the time only hit and run Tactics to prevent longer Fights with superior Numbers of US/USN Aircrafts. Once you have tasted Flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your Eyes turned Skyward. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 9./JG27
Schmidtfire Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 Mig-19 was not popular with Vietnamese pilots. They preferred the simpler Mig-17 over it (easier to operate, maintain and I guess better fuel consumption?) Mig-21 was viewed as a very dangerous foe by the american pilots. Mostly due to the high speed "one pass, haul ass" tactics. As Robin Olds said about the 21: "You could fight them down low. Dogfight If you wish. But up high... forget it." The Mig-17/19 was better dogfighters. The Mig-21 was more valueble and the nvaf didn't have many. So they would dogfight and turn with their Mig-17 / Mig-19s and the Mig-21s would sneak up fast, fire missiles and leave. Guerilla tactics in the sky...
Vatikus Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 I will buy it just because it will be the only module RB will be able to finish, thus it will hold some relic value besides flying ;) 1
Jester986 Posted February 13, 2018 Author Posted February 13, 2018 Thanks guys, I enjoy the Mig-21 so I like the idea of maybe doing some coordinated attacks with the two online. Have a wingman boom and zoom someone in the 21 and if he wants to turn fight the 19 can deal with him.
Brigg Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 yeah i am going to be all over the mig 19. cant get on with the 21 but love the 15.
probad Posted February 13, 2018 Posted February 13, 2018 bubble canopy man bubble canopy this thing is going to own in the 3rdgen arena and will remain a credible threat to 4thgens in permissive terrains.
javelina1 Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 Definitely a buy. Love flying the DCS MiG's! MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control
Beamscanner Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 Very excited for the Mig-19. The only thing I'm concerned about is how well they manage to implement the Spin Scan radar. Old school pulsed analog radars are hit or miss in DCS. The Viggen and Mig-21 radars were done well. But the F-5E radar was very poorly done. MIG-19 Spin Scan radar
dimitrischal Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 Can't wait for this. Mig19, F4E and Mirage 3 will pretty much focus me completely in cold war gameplay. Cheers to the awesome fights to come!
probad Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 MIG-19 Spin Scan radar MiG-21 RP-21 = Spin Scan MiG-19P RP-1/RP-5 = Scan Odd MiG-19PM RP-2U = Scan Can
Brigg Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 super excited for this beautiful piece of commie engineering to be released. do we have an estimated time scale of when we might expect her?
asla36 Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 super excited for this beautiful piece of commie engineering to be released. do we have an estimated time scale of when we might expect her? https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2017-12-29_NY2018/ If everything goes to plan that is... DCS: MiG-23 [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Make it happen, and take my money! :D
dali Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 we are getting Mig-19, already have Mig-21 Bis, Phantom is coming - only logical conclusion - Vietnam is coming :) 1
some1 Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 Given that none of those variants is from the Vietnam conflict - no, Vietnam is not coming. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil WarBRD, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro
Brigg Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2017-12-29_NY2018/ If everything goes to plan that is... sweet :thumbup:
dali Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 Given that none of those variants is from the Vietnam conflict - no, Vietnam is not coming. I know, I know...19 could play 17 and F4 plus Mig21bis...dreaming :)
probad Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 our f-86 would actually make for a more accurate mig-17 stand-in.
FraserNZL Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 no, Vietnam is not coming. Actually ther was mention in a post or newsletter from ED that all major conflict of the 20th century will be represented in DCS. So Vietnam will come. The F-105 is in Dev with Razbam. Its a start.
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