A Little fed up with negative posts.

[Neil Gardner]

Let me be clear, there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism. We all should benefit from that. But I've noticed on this particular forum (ie the M2000), that there is a significant amount of unhelpful carping. Flight simulation is not about creating perfect representations of reality, the technology for doing that is far, far more expensive than most of us can afford. Desktop flight simulation has, nevertheless, advanced phenomenally since first I took an interest 15 years ago, and the Razbaam Mirage is an excellent example of a very sophisticated desk top simulation at study level. It is a wonderful achievement, however imperfect any of them are. Of course there are bugs and absences but they are occasionally attended to and I have long ago come to terms with the fact that I am not flying the real thing, nor do I expect to fly the real thing, but I fly a desktop limitation. Accusations levelled at developers to the effect that they are selling people a 'pup', that they are not interested in supporting their product after it has been sold is unhelpful and I think untrue (though of course I know, no more than you but I would prefer to give people that I don't know the benefit of the doubt rather than leap to more cynical and critical conclusions). Let us all be more constructive, and work together to improve this beautiful model.

 

Take care

Neil

[Rudel_chw]

I fully agree with your view, even more so after the release of the new Manual and the training for Nevada .. I'm very happy with the Mirage :)

[FSKRipper]

+1

Especially all the armchair flight engineers are flooding the forums during the last months...

 

Visited Laage AFB and was able to see the Typhoon simulator in action including the computers behind the scenes...

Getting this you should think about selling your house. And that of your parents and grandparents too.

[Esac_mirmidon]

Welcome to the ED Forums.

 

It has been like this for a long time. Just try to be positive and helpful to each others and ignore the rest.

[tflash]

The Mirage is one of my favourite aircrafts! Well done by Razbam, enjoying it very much!

[FragBum]

Plus one.

 

Most certainly agree with the sentiment whilst I don't fly the M2000 I do fly Gazelle which seems to to get similar treatment. :pilotfly:

[Mr_sukebe]

+1

And it's not just here. Just too many people simply not getting the fact that times change and so do system requirements.

[cypc]

Last year while Flight Model update was in the work, some people were saying "Razbam is not working on the Mirage anymore, only on the Harrier, the Mirage won't get any more updates and will stay unfinished ..."

Couple month later the update arrived, shutting down all these criticisms about FM. The exact same thing happened for the manual and the 3D model !

Now I'm just patiently waiting for Razbam to show them wrong again :pilotfly:

[Flia]

Yes, I have to say that it is a great job. Mirage is great and the new manual is very good. Good work Razbam!

[Nealius]

I don't understand why the Mirage is getting so much hate either. The only thing I'm dissatisfied with is the sound, and even then it's only the startup/idle/shutdown sounds that are lackluster. Everything else is superb.

[cypc]

The only thing I'm dissatisfied with is the sound, and even then it's only the startup/idle/shutdown sounds that are lackluster.

And lucky you Razbam stated they will work on new sounds for the Mirage once the new tools coming with the F-18 will be available to 3rd party :thumbup:

[Gliptal]

Try using the Mirage for anything else other than SP or airquake and you'll probably see where the dissatisfaction is coming from.

[Nealius]

Pretty sure MP is having problems across the board in 2.5. It's not unique to the Mirage.

[myHelljumper]

Try using the Mirage for anything else other than SP or airquake and you'll probably see where the dissatisfaction is coming from.

 

I'm mostly flying COOP MP and realistic PVP and I don't see any major problems.

 

Some stuff is broken and missing but not anywhere near some people say.

[Johnny_Rico]

Just ignore those posts

[TomCatMucDe]

Of course people hate the mirage out of all the other DCS level modules for no reason according to you.

 

Some people care about quality, you don’t. It’s fine. I personally do care. And I find it unacceptable that Zeus left the radar broken, the PCA as a place hold r and went to develop the Harrier. Result, 3 years after and the 2 key things of a fighter jet are not properly working and too arcade.

 

Look at what’s being done at other devs and maybe your expectation would raise one day.

[Esac_mirmidon]

Nowhere to hide.

 

They always find us.

[Fri13]

+1

Especially all the armchair flight engineers are flooding the forums during the last months...

 

Visited Laage AFB and was able to see the Typhoon simulator in action including the computers behind the scenes...

Getting this you should think about selling your house. And that of your parents and grandparents too.

 

I would be happy to get a stable 45 FPS in VR regardless of the mission or graphical settings and then a VR HMD that has improved clarity and FOV (closer to "Pimax 8K X" tech) so you can easily read all the cockpit labels and texts, buttons, switches etc.

 

How someone can care if there ain't 100% accuracy in all things, when considering the requirement to do that, even when the "real simulators" are not even capable for that?

 

Yeah, maybe we should just go and get 56 core CPU for few grands but no help when we can't benefit what so ever with it!

 

Now think about that we can now and then spend a hour or two to sit down and fly... Get our minds out from the other things in life and enjoy from flying a far more fancier way than ever before?

 

 

Oh those days when that was so amazingly realistic.....

[Fri13]

Of course people hate the mirage out of all the other DCS level modules for no reason according to you.

 

Some people care about quality, you don’t. It’s fine. I personally do care. And I find it unacceptable that Zeus left the radar broken, the PCA as a place hold r and went to develop the Harrier. Result, 3 years after and the 2 key things of a fighter jet are not properly working and too arcade.

 

Look at what’s being done at other devs and maybe your expectation would raise one day.

 

Yes. all what you say is correct, that it is unacceptable how a product can be dropped unfinished as is.

Just like we have KA-50 unfinished by the ED, still having the place holders and all for some of the key features and elements. Because it is considered "finished", it never gets anything done anymore.

 

Hawk... That so many is considering a bad decision to buy in first place, has same problem as the Mig-21Bis...

 

Like looking the early months of the DCS World when KA-50 came out and then A-10C, how future was hold so bright and promising, only to come quick forward for years and we start to see finally the multiple modules instead just two, and yet we have so many ones missing so many things because the core technology in the DCS World is lacking features.

 

The customer service would be to knowledge the missing features and actually communicate with the customers what is the decision and plan. No specific ETA need to be given, just at least "It is going to be fixed when X or Y problems gets solved" instead just being silent. Same way it is wrong to demand ETA etc, as when you don't know, you don't know. But it is at least good to tell in one way channel to customers "We are working for it" and "we have made progress here", instead just silent or totally just focusing to something else.

[azm]

IMHO the only problem with M2000 module is its status.

It is very nice, after FM update it`s getting even better.

"Release" status means that development phase is finished, as we can see it`s actually not. What`s the rush?

I think it`s the best 3rd party module, that`s why I want to see it completed.

Edited April 7, 2018 by azm

[TomCatMucDe]

Neither the A10C nor the Ka50 nor the Mig21 have unfinished central things like the Mirage with it’s radar and PCA.

 

The comparison is therefore invalid.

 

The Hawk is not not a DCS level module.

 

 

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[TomCatMucDe]

Nowhere to hide.

 

They always find us.

 

 

 

Haha

 

 

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[FSKRipper]

I would be happy to get a stable 45 FPS in VR regardless of the mission or graphical settings and then a VR HMD that has improved clarity and FOV (closer to "Pimax 8K X" tech) so you can easily read all the cockpit labels and texts, buttons, switches etc.

 

How someone can care if there ain't 100% accuracy in all things, when considering the requirement to do that, even when the "real simulators" are not even capable for that?

 

Yeah, maybe we should just go and get 56 core CPU for few grands but no help when we can't benefit what so ever with it!

 

Now think about that we can now and then spend a hour or two to sit down and fly... Get our minds out from the other things in life and enjoy from flying a far more fancier way than ever before?

 

 

Oh those days when that was so amazingly realistic.....

 

Good old times. People should indeed be more thankful how things developed. From todays point FC and Lock on were nothing more than eye candy loaded arcade games. I remember times were every gaming magazine told me flight sims are dead.

 

And a reminder for all the complainers, you find weakpoints on every single module. Not to mention multicrew promises for a helo (not Gazelle, this is working fine for a 3rd party dev) more than 3 years ago. So stop the M2000 flaming and try to add some constructive critics or stay quite like I do most of the time.

[Bogey Jammer]

It's simple, people get angry when the most obvious issues are not fixed for years. This module is one of the most mature and is not the most hated though.

[Bogey Jammer]

Maybe ED should open a subforum for angry and unsatisfied customers. Would be a great place to hang around for people instead of enjoying DCS. I left the MiG-21 community long ago because I thought their forum is this place... but like it was said before... nowhere to hide. They find you in each single forum sooner or later.

Ah, the joy of a place where opinions are free and not segregated…

 

The MiG-21 subforum is the perfect example of natural human behavior when both the product and communication quality reach a level inferior to average.

 

This is a hating topic too btw. I'd rather not see it in the first place. This module doesn't deserve it anyway.