speed-of-heat Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 it is still set to whatever it was set to last in the previous UI SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware Intel Corei7-12700KF @ 5.1/5.3p & 3.8e GHz, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Dell S2716DG, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunX Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, speed-of-heat said: nope tried that too bugger 10 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said: nope tried that too, tried opting in to the WMR for Steam VR beta, i will try rolling back to SteamVR stable and see what it does yep rolling back to the SteamVR stable release (1.16.10) gives you back the motion smoothing options bug report here: Motion Smoothing UI for WMR :: SteamVR General Discussions (steamcommunity.com) Ah, so it's fixable. Not entirely sure why we opt for the Beta's anyway RYZEN 5900X | 32GB | ASUS Strix RTX3090 | 500GB NVMe OS 1000GB NVMe DCS | Warthog HOTAS | HP Reverb G2 | VA & ViacomPRO My DCS Apps: Radio KAOS for DCS KB Quick - Quick and Easy Kneeboards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed-of-heat Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 because we are masochistic? 1 SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware Intel Corei7-12700KF @ 5.1/5.3p & 3.8e GHz, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Dell S2716DG, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I'm not sure where we are in this discussion, but it is certainly all working well for me. In WMR, Auto and Disabled work as they always did, and Motion Vector works like 'forced' did. So, all good here. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zildac Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I'm not sure where we are in this discussion, but it is certainly all working well for me. In WMR, Auto and Disabled work as they always did, and Motion Vector works like 'forced' did. So, all good here.It's only broken in SVR beta 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 5200 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I only ever use the beta. What exactly is broken for you. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed-of-heat Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 on the SVR beta that was released this morning go to the UI in steam VR, select Video and manage video settings for select DCS ... show me where motion smoothing can be enabled or disabled in SteamVR UI SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware Intel Corei7-12700KF @ 5.1/5.3p & 3.8e GHz, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Dell S2716DG, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zildac Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 The options for AUTO, FORCED for motion smoothing are no longer present in SVR. So if youi set the below: There is nowhere (in the UI in SVR) to control it. It does still work, but it uses whatever the previous setting was. 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 5200 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) Yes, I know that. See my post 3 above. All works normally in the WMR settings. 1 minute ago, zildac said: The options for AUTO, FORCED for motion smoothing are no longer present in SVR. So if youi set the below: There is nowhere (in the UI in SVR) to control it. It does still work, but it uses whatever the previous setting was. Not the case with me. As I said in my post a few up, all these settings except per-app which we don't seem to need - work fine for me. I've tried them all. Edited May 20, 2021 by imacken Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed-of-heat Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) yes they still work in that bit of the UI. however, you can now no longer set them in the SteamVR UI Edited May 20, 2021 by speed-of-heat SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware Intel Corei7-12700KF @ 5.1/5.3p & 3.8e GHz, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Dell S2716DG, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunx Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I will test later, but the default.vrsettings option is still available... C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\MixedRealityVRDriver\resources\settings\default.vrsettings ROG Z690 Hero ● i9-12900K 5.5GHz ● Giggy RTX 3090 OC ● 32GB 4800MHz ● Firecuda M.2s ● Reverb G2 ● Win11Pro //// A10CII ● AH64D ● AJS37 ● AV8BNA ● C101 ● CEII ● F16C ● F5EII ● F86F ● FA18C ● FC3 ● I16 ● KA50 ● M2000C ● MI8 ● P47D ● SA342 ● SPIT ● UH1H ● Y52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just now, speed-of-heat said: yes they still work in that bit of the UI. however, you can now no longer set them in the SteamVR UI But that doesn't matter. In fact, that is a good thing. We only need to set them in one place now. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zildac Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, imacken said: Yes, I know that. See my post 3 above. All works normally in the WMR settings. Not the case with me. As I said in my post a few up, all these settings work fine for me. I've tried them all. Yes they work, but you CAN'T control them from SVR they are no longer in the UI, so if you set "SteamVR per app setting" where do you set that? I set use SteamVR per app in WMR for SVR anbd change per app in SVR, using your method every WMR app will use the same settings right? Just now, imacken said: But that doesn't matter. In fact, that is a good thing. We only need to set them in one place now. That assumes you wish to use the same settings for EVERY application that uses WMR and SVR though doesn't it? And that's not the point, the point is the BETA removed the SVR settings, they need to be fixed... 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 5200 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed-of-heat Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 but you have to set them for all games... rather than having granular control depending on the game 1 SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware Intel Corei7-12700KF @ 5.1/5.3p & 3.8e GHz, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Dell S2716DG, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, zildac said: Yes they work, but you CAN'T control them from SVR they are no longer in the UI, so if you set "SteamVR per app setting" where do you set that? I set use SteamVR per app in WMR for SVR anbd change per app in SVR, using your method every WMR app will use the same settings right? You don't use per app, it doesn't do anything. And, yes, every WMR will use the same. I really don't know what the issue is here. You can set it to Auto, Disabled or Forced. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zildac Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, imacken said: You don't use per app, it doesn't do anything. And, yes, every WMR will use the same. I really don't know what the issue is here. You can set it to Auto, Disabled or Forced. Huh? Per App in WMR doesn't do anything? Edited May 20, 2021 by zildac 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 5200 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, speed-of-heat said: but you have to set them for all games... rather than having granular control depending on the game I don't see why you would want to. I mean surely Auto or Forced - depending on your preference - will be fine for all games. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zildac Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, imacken said: I don't see why you would want to. I mean surely Auto or Forced - depending on your preference - will be fine for all games. Whilst I kind of see your point, the point is the fliexibility was available and now it's not. Alyx is one gamne where I woiuld use Auto and guarantee 90FPS, DCS I'd rather force to 45FPS 1 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 5200 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed-of-heat Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 err no, the only reason i used forced at all is because it has some useful characteristics in DCS, otherwise I would like my full 90FPS 1 SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware Intel Corei7-12700KF @ 5.1/5.3p & 3.8e GHz, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Dell S2716DG, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, zildac said: Huh? Per App in WMR doesn't do anything? I mean in MR terms as that option has now gone. 2 minutes ago, zildac said: Whilst I kind of see your point, the point is the fliexibility was available and now it's not. Alyx is one gamne where I woiuld use Auto and guarantee 90FPS, DCS I'd rather force to 45FPS Agreed, it would be good to have that flexibility back, but all the talk about things being 'broken' (not from you) is OTT. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed-of-heat Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 so it sort of depends on the last state you used; if you were for example doing performance testing .. and you had selected it to disabled, then it would look very broken all you will notice is ragged irregular frame rates ... it s not that it is broken (though i bet even money steam did not intend to remove that part of the UI) but it will look broken SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware Intel Corei7-12700KF @ 5.1/5.3p & 3.8e GHz, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Dell S2716DG, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 hours ago, imacken said: I disagree. Forced is best option as Stuart said. Best to have a rock solid 45fps than something jumping around at 45 or 90. If we were close to getting a solid 90, fine, but atm, I would say forced. Fully agree with this, have been using Motion Smoothing on and forced to 45 fps for some time now. I get very smooth performance with some pretty high graphics settings. 2 Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zildac Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, imacken said: I mean in MR terms as that option has now gone. Agreed, it would be good to have that flexibility back, but all the talk about things being 'broken' (not from you) is OTT. Yes. Broken is probably the incorrect term, but the context can be determined from reading the posts. At least there is an option to get back the missing functionality via reverting to SVR stable as SOH has pointed out. As long as the patch is good today, I'll be happy. Apart from having to endure the break dancing clouds for some while longer no doubt 14900KS | Maximus Hero Z690 | ASUS 4090 TUF OC | 64GB DDR5 5200 | DCS on 2TB NVMe | WarBRD+Warthog Stick | CM3 | TM TPR's | Varjo Aero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted May 20, 2021 ED Team Share Posted May 20, 2021 Mine is forced off in windows mixed reality for steam. I dont use motion smoothing. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, speed-of-heat said: so it sort of depends on the last state you used; if you were for example doing performance testing .. and you had selected it to disabled, then it would look very broken all you will notice is ragged irregular frame rates ... it s not that it is broken (though i bet even money steam did not intend to remove that part of the UI) but it will look broken Sorry Stuart, not sure what you mean. All options (apart from per app) work fine for me switching between them. Doesn't matter what the last state was. I think I must be misunderstanding what issue people are having here. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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