Let us shoot pilots out of the sky after they eject

[Mohamengina]

That's all - thanks.

 

Maybe some blood splatter and dismemberment too.

[feefifofum]

Yeah f@#* the Geneva convention!

 

DCS: War Criminal coming soon to a PC near you! :lol:

 

Article 42 – Occupants of aircraft

 

1. No person parachuting from an aircraft in distress shall be made the object of attack during his descent.

2. Upon reaching the ground in territory controlled by an adverse Party, a person who has parachuted from an aircraft in distress shall be given an opportunity to surrender before being made the object of attack, unless it is apparent that he is engaging in a hostile act.

3. Airborne troops are not protected by this Article.

 

Edited August 11, 2018 by feefifofum

[Mohamengina]

Yeah f@#* the Geneva convention!

 

DCS: War Criminal coming soon to a PC near you! :lol:

 

We've already got cluster bombs and will probably get napalm at some point. No point in backing out now. ������������������

Edited August 11, 2018 by Mohamengina
Adding emoji which didn't work for some reason.

[VZ_342]

Napalm! Better than facepalm!

[Nealius]

"Normally, nobody--including the Germans--would shoot anybody in a parachute."

 

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[Mohamengina]

"Normally, nobody--including the Germans--would shoot anybody in a parachute."

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists#Second_World_War

 

doesn't mean it didn't happen

[John Hargreaves]

It's a feature I can live without.

[Knock-Knock]

That's all - thanks.

 

Maybe some blood splatter and dismemberment too.

 

LOL, you must really hate your opposing players :)

[john9001]

You don't shoot pilots in a chute, you let them land so the ground troops can shoot them.

[Mohamengina]

LOL, you must really hate your opposing players :)

 

I've just been playing a lot of quake champions. :)

[cichlidfan]

I've just been playing a lot of quake champions. :)

 

This isn't Quake.

[Mars Exulte]

This isn't Quake.

 

You don't play on the moshpit servers?

 

And on topic, regarding did or didn't, it was pretty common in WWI and still pretty common in WWII. Probably because it is sensible. Imagine somebody putting a bullet in Hartmann when we was only at 25 kills, or Rudel. That's a few extra REGIMENTS. Honor is for dueling and people that don't care if they win ;)

 

Gamewise, carries the same problems as RL : while you're trying to gun that wee little dude in the chute you're apt to get shot in the back. It is a good final salute to people you want to troll, though, kind of an aerial teabag :p

[Kev2go]

You don't play on the moshpit servers?

 

And on topic, regarding did or didn't, it was pretty common in WWI and still pretty common in WWII. Probably because it is sensible. Imagine somebody putting a bullet in Hartmann when we was only at 25 kills, or Rudel. That's a few extra REGIMENTS. Honor is for dueling and people that don't care if they win ;)

 

Gamewise, carries the same problems as RL : while you're trying to gun that wee little dude in the chute you're apt to get shot in the back. It is a good final salute to people you want to troll, though, kind of an aerial teabag :p

 

 

oH ok fine. you say realisitc YOu shoot down a parachuting pilot, and when you get back your CO ( server Host Or Adminstrators) puts you in the BRig ( virtual Prison) and you get court martialed for war crimes ( kicked from server) how about that for added simulation?

 

 

An example of doing hard time in Virtual Prison from a AA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if it happened in ww1 and ww2 it was still seen as a deplorable act by peers, and was later officially included in the Geneva convention and since 1977 deemed a warcrime for which one can be Prosecuted for since.

 

 

From a simulation perspective, it really serves no purpose since once doesn't really have any meaningful control of AI pilot if he makes to the ground. Its a matter of just respawning into another plane in MP. Killing an AI pilots wont make any impact. At the end of the day aerial combat is about Destruction of planes, and not the pilot.

Edited August 13, 2018 by Kev2go

[Pizzicato]

IN a virutal setting killing AI pilots that arent even controlled by the player serves no purpose except brning out ones inner sadism.

 

 

Agreed. From my perspective, DCS is a flight simulator, not an Exorcise-your-inner-sicko simulator.

[rrohde]

It's a feature I can live without.

 

+1

[Mars Exulte]

@Kev2Go

Lots of things have been outlawed, yet countries still do them. As far as getting court martialed... hahahaha, especially WWI and WWII, yeah no. It was SoP for the Japanese and the Germans did it often enough to earn an honorable mention lol

 

As for all this bs moralising, you guys really need to get over yourselves. '''BUUUT ITS A WARCRIME''' no, it's a game, and whether an object is destructible or not. Why have civilian AI traffic at all by your reasoning, they add nothing except CPU draw and shooting them (they're destructible, btw) is a WAR CRIIIIIIIIIME. This is about as intelligent as the people saying ''No Afghanistan map because muh politics''.

 

It's a wargame and we're talking about destructible objects, btw nearly every flight sim I've played has had destructible parachutes, from the ol' 1990s Aces of the Pacific to Janes Fighters series (where they were bizarrely explosive like everything else), to... can't remember about Il2 oddly. I dunno. -edit actually I remember some pansy servers kicking for it, so yes, it had it, too /edit Leave the moralising for where it matters. Barring extreme examples, in a video game it's nothing more than virtue signaling.

 

That doesn't mean a no is out of place, but really? ''Cuz war crimez''? @@

[Bogey Jammer]

It's a feature I can live without.

+1

 

 

Better things to do

[Sharkh]

DCS:World is a simulation and in reality nobody will hunt "ejected pilots" . Because it is not the objective to destroy enemy pilots but enemy planes in the first place. Its like shooting surrendering opponents with hands in the air.

 

Even in a real war a military division is not a playground for psychopaths but an "establishment" with leadership and order not to mention that fighter pilots are carefully selected individuals so I doubt that it will be easy to get into their ranks with such mental state.

 

 

Even if this is not real life adding such feature in a simulation would be like adding flying cows. ehh

[Kev2go]

@Kev2Go

Lots of things have been outlawed, yet countries still do them. As far as getting court martialed... hahahaha, especially WWI and WWII, yeah no. It was SoP for the Japanese and the Germans did it often enough to earn an honorable mention lol

 

As for all this bs moralising, you guys really need to get over yourselves. '''BUUUT ITS A WARCRIME''' no, it's a game, and whether an object is destructible or not. Why have civilian AI traffic at all by your reasoning, they add nothing except CPU draw and shooting them (they're destructible, btw) is a WAR CRIIIIIIIIIME. This is about as intelligent as the people saying ''No Afghanistan map because muh politics''.

 

It's a wargame and we're talking about destructible objects, btw nearly every flight sim I've played has had destructible parachutes, from the ol' 1990s Aces of the Pacific to Janes Fighters series (where they were bizarrely explosive like everything else), to... can't remember about Il2 oddly. I dunno. -edit actually I remember some pansy servers kicking for it, so yes, it had it, too /edit Leave the moralising for where it matters. Barring extreme examples, in a video game it's nothing more than virtue signaling.

 

That doesn't mean a no is out of place, but really? ''Cuz war crimez''? @@

 

 

 

Neither is it a good argument to say we should have just Cuz we aught to.

 

 

like i said if by your logic you think thats out of place, than neither is implementation "Virtual prison" being kicked from game and place there as a consequence o your actions of breaching the Geneva conventions.

 

DCS is not just about ww2. They may have branched but in terms of ground assts, avaitain ASSets, and scenarios far more focus is given to Modern Era.

 

 

DCS is a flight simulation, not a first person shooter so this is not a necessary feature to implement. This is a feature most of us including yourself especially can live without. ED has better things to invest thier development time in.

Edited August 12, 2018 by Kev2go

[Mars Exulte]

I really wish the PC police was around for every other flight sim that I know of, to prevent this egregious abuse of virtual law that they all commited. I like how you ignored the destructible civilians. Aren't you going to lobby for their removal, cause it's unrealistic to shoot them without going to virtual jail? That's all they're good for, right? So we can simulate war crimes, why have them at all?

 

It's a stupid line of reasoning.

Edited August 12, 2018 by zhukov032186

[Kev2go]

I really wish the PC police was around for every other flight sim that I know of, to prevent this egregious abuse of virtual law that they all commited.

 

there are other genre of games you can go and do this stuff in, and ones were it actually makes a difference Dont see a reason to force unneeded features into a study level flight simulation.

 

before you accuse others of being too PC, I equally thought it wasn't necessary to add female Pilot models jsut to satisfy PC crowd in a given thread and making a huge issue out of not having such a feature like you are with not being able to shoot down parachuting pilots.

Edited August 12, 2018 by Kev2go

[Mars Exulte]

@@ Canadians, playing wargames, but only if they can kill each other nicely

 

-edit

I don't care if the 'feature' exists, I'm saying 'cause RL legality and morals' is irrelevant. We also have cluster bombs, which are increasingly restricted or banned globally due to civilian casualties from unexploded bomblets. I.E. their usage is increasingly heading toward being a 'war crime'. It has no bearing on a video game.

 

-edit

Likewise I didn't have a problem with a female pilot, though I questioned being able to tell them apart. I objected to dragging in RL social ''issues'' instead of making a simple feature request, which I would have supported.

 

There is an identifiable pattern in my viewpoints and commentary (besides sarcasm)

Edited August 12, 2018 by zhukov032186

[Kev2go]

@@ Canadians, playing wargames, but only if they can kill each other nicely

 

-edit

I don't care if the 'feature' exists, I'm saying 'cause RL legality and morals' is irrelevant. We also have cluster bombs, which are increasingly restricted or banned globally due to civilian casualties from unexploded bomblets. I.E. their usage is increasingly heading toward being a 'war crime'. It has no bearing on a video game.

 

-edit

Likewise I didn't have a problem with a female pilot, though I questioned being able to tell them apart. I objected to dragging in RL social ''issues'' instead of making a simple feature request, which I would have supported.

 

There is an identifiable pattern in my viewpoints and commentary (besides sarcasm)

 

quite low of you to stoop to stereotypes.

 

 

and you instead play the whataboutism card to detract from the topic

 

In dcs Cluster bombs always explode , never leaving unexploded muntions., and there arent Bystanders in the Form of Farmers , or thier Little Children wandering around where unexploded munitions lay in the aftermath of a battle. So any moral realsons that apply to RL its irrelevant to the game. ( there are no AI cvilian Randomly wandering on foot in the map). Cluster munition server a purpose for destruction of enemy light skinned, ( or armored depending on Cluster type) Vehicles

 

 

 

any moral reasons aside , the simple fact is The Goal of Aerial combat is to destroy Combatants Planes Not the Pilots especially considering it serves no purpose for gampley besides Some individuals personal gratification. hence why ED never decided to add the feature, and why they likely wont ever invest any time to add it.

Edited August 12, 2018 by Kev2go

[Vitormouraa]

I agree with zhukov032186 here. The politically correct here is strong. Guess what, killing is also wrong and illegal, but we also do that in games. Please tell me, those people who play FPS games, have you ever had those moments where you flanked their entire team and found YOURSELF behind the team, ready to kill a bunch of them with a machine gun? Is it a great feeling huh? Multi-kill is awesome :) But I don't see people complaining about that.

 

Killing a texture in a game with a shape of a human that is falling with a parachute WON'T hurt anybody, so why are these people so angry about that?

 

Jesus I haven't seen one of these in a while.

 

Seriously, people, this is just a game, calm down, nobody's hurting anybody with that request. One can live without it, that's for sure, but who cares if it was a feature? Can we please change the gun textures as well to water guns? Change the blood in games for something else, like a blue goop? Because wanting to see blood means sadism?

 

I'm impressed.

 

This is a sim, and it would be interesting if it could simulate all aspects of war.

 

D-Day was sad, but it is in a game called COD, which makes you think about those people who died in the war, but NONE of that in a game is wrong or immoral, being on the German team killing the blue players on that map won't make you a psychopath.

Edited August 12, 2018 by Vitormouraa

[Sniper175]

As a vr player i think it would be awesome, your chute gets shot out and you plummet to your death sweet..

 

i agree allot of sugar ferries in this forum, war is war