F-14 Release Date Discussion Thread

[FZG_Immel]

I dont get your point. If you don't want a buggy product and wanna wait more until it's big free than just wait and don't use it.

 

I fail to see why you would want to prevent people from getting it anywhere to do what's already is working with it in the meantime

[Raven68]

Yeah, fine...that's not the point I'm making though. I'm just saying that these tiny little meaningless updates from Heatblur about being really close to announcing more dates at this point is silly and quite frankly, a bit antagonizing.

 

Just my opinion.

 

I see a side of where you are coming from, but the best thing to do is stay away from the hype. I have noticed a ton of post on waiting for or guessing a release date. When I saw the announcement and expected release to be around winter 2019, I accepted it as being close to the end of winter or near early spring and for the most part stayed away from this type of forum topic. It will drive you crazy waiting news or an occasional bone. I have been sinking a lot of my DCS time on the Hornet and enjoying every moment!

 

Hang in there!

[SandMan23]

Oooooooh…..all the Oh HB num num num num num I love you HB - fanboys are gonna get you for that one...lol

[CaptJodan]

I'd rather delay it by one week or more, rather than having a buggy product, I don't care how long it takes, as long as its good.

 

With respect, I hate sentiments like this. I'm a supporter of EA releases, and know things will take time. I know complex software development is never 100% perfect upon release, and fixes and additions need to be made. And I'm a supporter of a developer dictating when their product is released based upon the milestones they feel they need to hit.

 

But this blank check attitude some people have about releases baffles me. We might as well say to the devs "sure, give us another year's wait, or two, or 6. Just want it to be perfect". I know there are people out there who want the software released without any bugs and missing features. "take all the time you need, no matter how long it takes" is not a mantra I would ever adopt. Some people had the same attitude about the P-40. And while I'd NEVER compare HB to VEAO, I'm simply not interested in companies being given this kind of blank check to get money, then "take as long as you want" to even release the product. And by the way, no matter how long it takes, it'll probably still have bugs. It's the nature of complex software development, especially DCS since DCS is always changing, and therefore is a moving target.

 

I think it's reasonable to hold HB to the dates set. I would not be okay with it being a week late, because Cobra used words like "promise" and "you can hold us to it". He put his word behind March 20th at the latest, and I intend to keep him at his word. That's not being a hard-ass or internet asshole, that's me assuming that HB looked at what they had left, factored how much work they had left, factored an ample bit of extra time in case they ran into problems that they could use to clean things up, and said "we can deliver on this date, even with a worst-case-scenario situation".

 

But that level of communication also puts responsibility on my end. I can hope that the release comes sooner, but I should not demand, be upset, or whine about the F-14 not being delivered before the 20th. HB shouldn't be badgered into releasing before the promised date unless they feel it's ready to be released early.

 

Personally, I'm reasonably confident that HB will deliver by the promised date. I don't think I'll have to get my pitchfork bloody. I sure as hell don't think people should be bloodying theirs right now. The wait has been very frustrating, but HB has said what few devs in DCS have said, which is "We will release on this date, we promise". I appreciate that level of communication, that we as a community effectively have a "do not pass" date already in hand. I'd like to keep that, and not have a "release whenever" attitude prevail.

 

Yeah, fine...that's not the point I'm making though. I'm just saying that these tiny little meaningless updates from Heatblur about being really close to announcing more dates at this point is silly and quite frankly, a bit antagonizing.

 

Just my opinion.

 

I have to agree with your original point. I'm tired of hearing "soon". Now it's "soon we will tell you how soon soon may be". We, as a community, should know that they are working hard to get this out as quickly as they can. If it takes them going completely radio silent until the 20th to make sure it gets out, I'm fine with that. I know they're working on it. The next thing we hear really should just be the actual official date.

 

Or, you know, just suddenly release it. That works too. (kidding, mostly)

[Strikeeagle345]

With respect, I hate sentiments like this. I'm a supporter of EA releases, and know things will take time. I know complex software development is never 100% perfect upon release, and fixes and additions need to be made. And I'm a supporter of a developer dictating when their product is released based upon the milestones they feel they need to hit.

 

But this blank check attitude some people have about releases baffles me. We might as well say to the devs "sure, give us another year's wait, or two, or 6. Just want it to be perfect". I know there are people out there who want the software released without any bugs and missing features. "take all the time you need, no matter how long it takes" is not a mantra I would ever adopt. Some people had the same attitude about the P-40. And while I'd NEVER compare HB to VEAO, I'm simply not interested in companies being given this kind of blank check to get money, then "take as long as you want" to even release the product. And by the way, no matter how long it takes, it'll probably still have bugs. It's the nature of complex software development, especially DCS since DCS is always changing, and therefore is a moving target.

 

I think it's reasonable to hold HB to the dates set. I would not be okay with it being a week late, because Cobra used words like "promise" and "you can hold us to it". He put his word behind March 20th at the latest, and I intend to keep him at his word. That's not being a hard-ass or internet asshole, that's me assuming that HB looked at what they had left, factored how much work they had left, factored an ample bit of extra time in case they ran into problems that they could use to clean things up, and said "we can deliver on this date, even with a worst-case-scenario situation".

 

But that level of communication also puts responsibility on my end. I can hope that the release comes sooner, but I should not demand, be upset, or whine about the F-14 not being delivered before the 20th. HB shouldn't be badgered into releasing before the promised date unless they feel it's ready to be released early.

 

Personally, I'm reasonably confident that HB will deliver by the promised date. I don't think I'll have to get my pitchfork bloody. I sure as hell don't think people should be bloodying theirs right now. The wait has been very frustrating, but HB has said what few devs in DCS have said, which is "We will release on this date, we promise". I appreciate that level of communication, that we as a community effectively have a "do not pass" date already in hand. I'd like to keep that, and not have a "release whenever" attitude prevail.

 

 

 

I have to agree with your original point. I'm tired of hearing "soon". Now it's "soon we will tell you how soon soon may be". We, as a community, should know that they are working hard to get this out as quickly as they can. If it takes them going completely radio silent until the 20th to make sure it gets out, I'm fine with that. I know they're working on it. The next thing we hear really should just be the actual official date.

 

Or, you know, just suddenly release it. That works too. (kidding, mostly)

 

:thumbup:

[Manhorne]

Yeah, What CaptJodan Said......

[Strikeeagle345]

[erniedaoage]

[Flamin_Squirrel]

You request your refund yet or are you going to continue acting like an idiot? I'll continue calling you out when I notice you shitposting.

 

If you're trying to take the moral high ground here then, well... you need to try harder.

[Gierasimov]

Thanks!

 

We'll discuss our post-release plan before launch. :)

 

As for people having access-- yes. That's sort of what needs to happen if something is to be tested. You don't balk at "ED Testers" having access to ED betas ahead of time, this is no different. We work with people close to us who we trust.

The more eyes (at this point) the more we fix, the better things are on D-Day.

 

Thank you for your answer Cobra847.

 

Just to get this right:

 

"before launch" = before Early Access "launch" or is it:

 

launch = Early Access is finished and you will discuss what is going to happen after the Tomcat has been released (out of Early Access), meaning you will:

 

discuss the future of this project sometime between the start of Early access and the end of Early Access.

[Gierasimov]

Nope. That's fine though.

 

Noone is asking for funds, and you are not an investor, but a consumer. Buy it in EA if impatient and live with the bugs, or wait until release if you are unsure.

 

I am a consumer of DCS: World. I am investing in ED partners though by purchasing software with an unknown future.

 

See, one is a consumer when one can obtain a service or a product that is available regardless of sales, for example, DCS: World.

 

However, to get additional development progress, developers need money to sustain their operations. That money comes from investors if there are any or from direct pre-sales (or a mixture) in which a customer is ultimately an investor.

 

I wasn't asking for a purchase advise, nor I was asking questions of the type "can we have it now" or "when is it going to be released". The hype train is well understood here, I would like to know the route this train is headed to and what are the stations after we get to the EA one.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Gierasimov
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[TonyG]

If there’s no expectation of profit from your ‘investment’, then it’s not an investment. It’s a consumer purchase.

 

If Heatblur sold shares or bonds to fund their growth, then you could purchase those instruments and hope to or expect to profit.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

I am a consumer of DCS: World. I am investing in ED partners though by purchasing software with an unknown future.

 

See, one is a consumer when one can obtain a service or a product that is available regardless of sales, for example, DCS: World.

 

However, to get additional development progress, developers need money to sustain their operations. That money comes from investors if there are any or from direct pre-sales (or a mixture) in which a customer is ultimately an investor.

 

I wasn't asking for a purchase advise, nor I was asking questions of the type "can we have it now" or "when is it going to be released". The hype train is well understood here, I would like to know the route this train is headed to and what are the stations after we get to the EA one.

 

You have purchased a product, not a stake in the company. That makes you a customer, not an investor.

[RaceFuel85]

I am a consumer of DCS: World. I am investing in ED partners though by purchasing software with an unknown future.

.

 

No.

 

You're a customer purchasing a product.

[Gierasimov]

Software not the company...

 

If there’s no expectation of profit from your ‘investment’, then it’s not an investment. It’s a consumer purchase.

 

If Heatblur sold shares or bonds to fund their growth, then you could purchase those instruments and hope to or expect to profit.

 

As said, there is no product yet. It's a presale. I will become customer by purchasing a product. Buying into presale I am investing in it. Not the company, but product being created.

[Cornelius]

As said, there is no product yet. It's a presale. I will become customer by purchasing a product. Buying into presale I am investing in it. Not the company, but product being created.

 

That sounds like kickstarter etc.

[NineLine]

Guys I know everyone is excited about the F-14, but beating each other up isnt going to make it get here any faster. Please try and keep it mature and respectful.

[swatstar98]

10/10

[F14luvr]

Everyone needs to calm down. We'll get the Tomcat by March 20th.

 

At the end of the day, it's just a game, and there are many more important things in life.

[LF_Luftmanu]

Well...two more weeks. : )

 

Honestly, HB will deliver but is any DCS product going to be out in time? and I mean, in the first promised time?

 

I am sure at the end it will just be: It's going to be delayed, but hey, more bugs are going to be fixed.

[Iberian]

Every time someone demands a release, another 2 weeks are added! :P

[TonyG]

As said, there is no product yet. It's a presale. I will become customer by purchasing a product. Buying into presale I am investing in it. Not the company, but product being created.

 

Without an expectation of profit you have no investment. All you have is the right to a license in the future. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

You can call it whatever you want, but you aren’t getting anything out of this more than what you’ve paid. Consumer transaction!

[Horns]

As said, there is no product yet. It's a presale. I will become customer by purchasing a product. Buying into presale I am investing in it. Not the company, but product being created.

 

The first time you suggested in this thread that you were an investor could have been sheer ignorance. It was made very clear to you that you are not an investor at all, but you try to rest a question on the same assumption that you know to be wrong. Please don't try this a third time.

[Sergeant_Hamlet]

Guys, he doesn't mean monetarily invested, he means PERSONALLY invested.

[Horns]

Guys, he doesn't mean monetarily invested, he means PERSONALLY invested.

 

Not unless his personal investment is in the custody of ED right now...

 

EDIT: That was confusing by me. What I was getting at is that the post where he explained why he thinks he's an investor is all about money, not emotions.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Horns
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