NVG for russian FC3 fighters/aircraft

[D4n]

For multiplayer servers where there also is nighttime (famous BlueFlag server), we now need NVG for those aircraft too (For Su-27, -33, J-11, Su-25T). Very soon please, Hornets have major advantage currently).

Edited May 19, 2019 by DanielNL

[D4n]

edited, added Su-25T (as it's also FC3).

[ZioSam]

Yes please Mirage and fulcrum lack this capabilities too.

PvP at night is not on equal ground for too many assets. Just a "FC3" NVG option for those planes is totally needed in MP

[razo+r]

If you request NVG for FC3 aircraft then at least put the F-15 also into it.

 

BTW, Su-25T is not FC3 but a DCS World stock plane to be precise...

[D4n]

If you request NVG for FC3 aircraft then at least put the F-15 also into it.

 

BTW, Su-25T is not FC3 but a DCS World stock plane to be precise...

Yes then I guess F15 too

 

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[discwalker]

It would be great!

[HC_Official]

good request

[QuiGon]

Well, do these aircraft have NVGs IRL and if so since when?

[Harlikwin]

Well, do these aircraft have NVGs IRL and if so since when?

 

Entirely this...

 

The F15C should have them depending on the year, A's were probably retrofitted in the 90's... The Russian aircraft, unfortunately not, unless someone wants to show me a Su25, mig29A/G or Su27 with a NVG compatible pit. Dunno about the mig29S or the Su33 and maybe the 25T.

Edited May 20, 2019 by Harlikwin

[D4n]

Wow, so we can only hope that no DCS server will run night+fog, because THEN you won't even see stars (to notice whether a tall hill is aheard of the player or not). So I guess Soviet pilots would only fly very low at night when there wasn't any fog.

[Harlikwin]

Soviet pilots flew on instruments at night, pretty much like western pilots did, that or they had terrain avoidance radar.

 

Look, NVG's in fast jets were basically not a cold war era thing, or at best only a few US planes in the last 2-3 years of the cold war (ending in 91) had em. Helicopters did have em because they originated with that community, but they had shitload of problems/deaths/crashes with them early on. Cold war era jets in some cases did have FLIR capability on a TV screen, and maaybe projected on a hud as is the case with the night attack harrier.

[Xilon_x]

Soviet pilots flew on instruments at night, pretty much like western pilots did, that or they had terrain avoidance radar.

 

Look, NVG's in fast jets were basically not a cold war era thing, or at best only a few US planes in the last 2-3 years of the cold war (ending in 91) had em. Helicopters did have em because they originated with that community, but they had shitload of problems/deaths/crashes with them early on. Cold war era jets in some cases did have FLIR capability on a TV screen, and maaybe projected on a hud as is the case with the night attack harrier.

 

what you are explaining in a few words is called "INSTRUMENTAL FLIGHT" piloting without looking out of the window but piloting only with the use of the instruments.

[D4n]

what you are explaining in a few words is called "INSTRUMENTAL FLIGHT" piloting without looking out of the window but piloting only with the use of the instruments.

Yep and its a little frustrating to watch all 3 of these at nearly same time: radar altimeter, scan HUD for contacts, RWR.

 

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[razo+r]

How do you want to see a mountain infront of you when you are looking at the instrument that scans below you?

[Ducksen]

This would be nice.

NVG for all planes that are modern ish.

However, I do see the dilemmas...on both sides...

Planes that did not have NVG's and the notion that they do need it. They are now up against other opponents than they did in the day. Kind of...ish.

[Kang]

Yep and its a little frustrating to watch all 3 of these at nearly same time: radar altimeter, scan HUD for contacts, RWR.

 

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Guess there is a reason that night fighters used to be (and in some places still are!) specialised squadrons.

 

How do you do it? You got to know the terrain and not fly too low in mountainous areas, that's how.

[Harlikwin]

How do you want to see a mountain infront of you when you are looking at the instrument that scans below you?

 

The typical way is to look at your flight plan (you have one of those right?) look for the highest topo feature on that. Fly above that... Its not rocket science.

 

Also, alot of people forget that under decent lunar illumination (lets say more than half a moon) you can actually see fairly well with unaided vision (at least mountains and such).

[NineLine]

if interested I can PM you a link to a source

 

Friendly heads up, I don't want to see any of this stuff on the forums, these forums shouldn't be used in any way to exchange documents, thanks guys. I can't stop what you guys do in the privacy of your own computer worlds but let's not talk about it here. Thanks.

[Xoho]

Ok, so balance should NOT be a consideration at all when it comes to how the aircraft are modelled. If the aircraft did not have NVGs used, then it should not have them.

 

My understanding is that the Su-25T is primarily a daytime attack aircraft, however the mercury LLTV pod could be used at dawn/dusk. The fighters you can fly perfectly well without NVGs as all the ones listed have radar (and some EO). You don't need to fly low level at all times, and if you do you can do so by navigating the good ol' way.

 

As Harlikwin mentioned, check terrain features and base your flight plan off that. If it's too dark for you to see, fly off instruments. It's not impossible, and with some practice you can make use of illumination rockets and bombs in order to hit a target even in pitch blackness. As I said before, the modules should not be modelled with multiplayer balance as a consideration. They should be as accurate as possible, since that's what many of us play DCS for, and what it's sold as.

[D4n]

Yes but then ED could give server admins ability to enable NVGs for Russian aircraft to simulate a late 90s conflict.

 

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[Kang]

Ok, so balance should NOT be a consideration at all when it comes to how the aircraft are modelled. If the aircraft did not have NVGs used, then it should not have them.

 

Yes but then ED could give server admins ability to enable NVGs for Russian aircraft to simulate a late 90s conflict.

Aha.

[Harlikwin]

Yes but then ED could give server admins ability to enable NVGs for Russian aircraft to simulate a late 90s conflict.

 

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Its about more than strapping a set of NVG's to a helmet. the whole cockpit has to be redone for them to work/MFD's/Lighting etc. And AFAIK, the only FC3 aircraft that "might" have those sorts of upgrades is the SU-33 and maaybe the 25T or really maybe the J-11. Certainly not the Mig29A/G and Su25/27 as they are clearly 80's era. But I'd want to see a actual documentation/photo of any of the types I mentioned having NVG capability. If we had a SU-35 or late model migs in game fine those do, but we don't have those in DCS.

[D4n]

Still needed for realistic modern war.

[Mars Exulte]

Su-25T has out of the box night capability, albeit limited. Unslung belly pod with ambient light amplification.

[Harlikwin]

Still needed for realistic modern war.

 

Modern war isn't balanced or a game. I'm confident that most of the night engagements in the 90's and even the early 2000's were entirely in favor of the US precisely because they had NV and the other side didn't.