VC Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 It would be great if you could move the throttles from OFF to IDLE and vice-versa by just clicking on them (the F-14B behaves like this). I know you can bind the commands, but it would be a nice quality of life improvement for VR to not need those additional bindings and just be able to click instead. VC =X51= Squadron is recruiting! X51 website: https://x51squadron.com/ Join our Discord: https://discord.gg/d9JtFY4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglewings Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 (edited) It would be great if you could move the throttles from OFF to IDLE and vice-versa by just clicking on them (the F-14B behaves like this). I know you can bind the commands, but it would be a nice quality of life improvement for VR to not need those additional bindings and just be able to click instead.Yes. In addition to the OP matter, Canopy open/close function uses keyboard binding(lctrl+C). Isn't there a click able switch in the Viper to close the canopy? Did not see that being used in the rampstart video. Edited October 6, 2019 by Eaglewings Windows 10 Pro 64bit|Ryzen 5600 @3.8Ghz|EVGA RTX 3070 XC3 Ultra|Corair vengence 32G DDR4 @3200mhz|MSI B550|Thrustmaster Flightstick| Virpil CM3 Throttle| Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder Pedal /Samsung Odyssey Plus Headset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Yes. In addition to the OP matter, Canopy open/close function uses keyboard binding(lctrl+C). Isn't there a click able switch in the Viper to close the canopy? Did not see that used in the rampstart video. There is, right under the yellow handle you close to seal the canopy after closing it, it a small switch. +1 to OP... for All modules!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 Yes. In addition to the OP matter, Canopy open/close function uses keyboard binding(lctrl+C). Isn't there a click able switch in the Viper to close the canopy? Did not see that used in the rampstart video. This is the Hornet forum section not Viper. The Hornet cockpit close/open switch I'm fairly sure is already clickable. But thanks for the support on clickable throttles :) VC =X51= Squadron is recruiting! X51 website: https://x51squadron.com/ Join our Discord: https://discord.gg/d9JtFY4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglewings Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 There is, right under the yellow handle you close to seal the canopy after closing it, it a small switch. +1 to OP... for All modules!!!Okay thanks. It was clumsy removing vr headset to close canopy with keyboard. The training video in-game does not make reference to that switch so I thought it was not implemented yet. I need to unbind the hotas button I had used for canopy operation to save me one more hotas button. Cheers Windows 10 Pro 64bit|Ryzen 5600 @3.8Ghz|EVGA RTX 3070 XC3 Ultra|Corair vengence 32G DDR4 @3200mhz|MSI B550|Thrustmaster Flightstick| Virpil CM3 Throttle| Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder Pedal /Samsung Odyssey Plus Headset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglewings Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 This is the Hornet forum section not Viper. The Hornet cockpit close/open switch I'm fairly sure is already clickable. But thanks for the support on clickable throttles :)Oh , my bad, I did not check the heading of the thread. No hijacking intentions here. Happily, the idle throttle wishlist is relevant to all modules. Cheers. Windows 10 Pro 64bit|Ryzen 5600 @3.8Ghz|EVGA RTX 3070 XC3 Ultra|Corair vengence 32G DDR4 @3200mhz|MSI B550|Thrustmaster Flightstick| Virpil CM3 Throttle| Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder Pedal /Samsung Odyssey Plus Headset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svsmokey Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 +1 to op . Would save 2 precious hotas switches . 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwRavencl Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 +1 Also I believe everybody woud appreciate it if we could get clickable throttles not only for the Hornet but also for the Viper and generally for all (future) modules for which this applies as well. ControllerBuddy - A highly advanced game controller mapping software (for flight simulators) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil106ci Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 + 1 … clickable or even into the throttle range from 0 to max power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomTOTEN Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 -1. The current keyboard commands are a great solution. Don't want users accidentally shutting off engines in flight as they're trying to click around their interactive cockpits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svsmokey Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 In VR , keyboard commands not so good ...and clicking and dragging the mouse seems pretty safe . I do get your concern though . I previously had the function mapped , and killed my engine on a long final into Batumi in an L-39 . It did not end well :) 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomTOTEN Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 In normal operations, outside of an emergency, these controls are ever used once per sortie. You only command the left engine to run once. You only command the right engine to stop once. The importance of these controls is such they're relegated to needing modifiers, they are used so infrequently. Users must currently very intentionally interact with them. The chance of error is very low, because as you described, the consequence of error is very high. I believe the current system is very well done. Is looking at the keyboard that difficult in VR that users cannot take the couple of seconds each sortie to press keyboard keys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backspace340 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 In normal operations, outside of an emergency, these controls are ever used once per sortie. You only command the left engine to run once. You only command the right engine to stop once. The importance of these controls is such they're relegated to needing modifiers, they are used so infrequently. Users must currently very intentionally interact with them. The chance of error is very low, because as you described, the consequence of error is very high. I believe the current system is very well done. Is looking at the keyboard that difficult in VR that users cannot take the couple of seconds each sortie to press keyboard keys? You can't see the keyboard in VR. Anyway - you can click the throttles in the F-14, I've never once got anywhere near accidentally clicking them. You're worried about a problem that doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kazansky Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Pros and cons here. Seems like an option for clickable throttles is a solution to suit everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 For what it's worth I have never accidentally shut down my engines in the Tomcat, and I often need to hit switches that are partly obsucred by the trottles. I understand your concern but I think the probability of it causing an issue is very low. In any case clicking them to shut down would only work when they're already at idle, which they wouldn't be in flight (except some really heated dogfight scenarios, but then what are you doing clicking anything on the left console?). VC =X51= Squadron is recruiting! X51 website: https://x51squadron.com/ Join our Discord: https://discord.gg/d9JtFY4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwRavencl Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 For what it's worth I have never accidentally shut down my engines in the Tomcat, and I often need to hit switches that are partly obsucred by the trottles. I understand your concern but I think the probability of it causing an issue is very low. In any case clicking them to shut down would only work when they're already at idle, which they wouldn't be in flight (except some really heated dogfight scenarios, but then what are you doing clicking anything on the left console?). That's exactly what I was thinking when I read about the concerns. :thumbup: ControllerBuddy - A highly advanced game controller mapping software (for flight simulators) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
despinoza Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 i so want this i hate using 4 hotas button for an action i do only once every mission. Ryzen 3700x - 2080ti - 16GB 3200 - 500G SSD - OCULUS RIFT S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Clark Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Yup, adding another +1 to this. I love the way it works in the Cat and would love to see the Hornet work the same way. While we're at it could we get a clickable flashlight like the Thunder too? :D Oil In The Water Hornet Campaign. Bunny's: Form-Fillable Controller Layout PDFs | HOTAS Kneeboards | Checklist Kneeboards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) Absolutely +1 Both the Tomcat and Viggen have this and it's my preferred way of doing it compared to a keybinding. And I absolutely agree with VC I too have never ever accidentally clicked the throttles to off in flight, even when trying to reach switches near to or typically obscured by the throttle. Plus as others have said above, it's only possible to do this in the aircraft that have it when the throttle is at idle - not a position it's likely to be in mid-flight. Edited December 14, 2019 by Northstar98 Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krippz Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Agreed. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kazansky Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 And if it was only an option in the special settings nobody's preferences would be hurt. I don't see why this shouldn't be implemented and become a DCS standard option for all future modules. As sim pilots we all want to get rid of standard keyboard bindings. Especially of those with one ore two modifiers. So come on ED, give us a sign of hope here please! :joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dermobb Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I like the idea. I vote for clickable throttles. Greetings, Nils :joystick: -- i7 4790k, RTX 2060, 16 GB RAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick33 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Is looking at the keyboard that difficult in VR that users cannot take the couple of seconds each sortie to press keyboard keys?The concept of removing the headset and effectively coming out of the virtual cockpit is an immersion killer. Personally I wouldn't want to use the keyboard at all using VR. AMD 5800X3D · MSI 4080 · Asus ROG Strix B550 Gaming · HP Reverb Pro · 1Tb M.2 NVMe, 32Gb Corsair Vengence 3600MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · VIRPIL T-50CM3 Base, Alpha Prime R. VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Base. JetSeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeCuvier Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 The TM Warthog throttle has switches built into the throttle levers that signal the transition OFF/IDLE and vice versa. I would think that other throttles might have that feature too. In that case there is no need at all for clickable throttle levers in the virtual cockpit. But for those VR users who don't have a throttle with that feature I can see the justification for the request. LeCuvier Windows 10 Pro 64Bit | i7-4790 CPU |16 GB RAM|SSD System Disk|SSD Gaming Disk| MSI GTX-1080 Gaming 8 GB| Acer XB270HU | TM Warthog HOTAS | VKB Gladiator Pro | MongoosT-50 | MFG Crosswind Pedals | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kazansky Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 The concept of removing the headset and effectively coming out of the virtual cockpit is an immersion killer. Personally I wouldn't want to use the keyboard at all using VR. This! And still don't understand why not as an option? I didn't see any arguments why it has to be a keyboard command without choice. The implementation shouldn't take too much efforts. Not much more than following this thread till a decision is made. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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