Swift. Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Why is it that AGM62 is under bomb, but the other glide bombs (AGM154) are under missile? 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
DeathAngel1 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 I was wondering the same, I think AGM means "air to ground missile", isnt it? ..:NAVY PILOTS ARE THE THE BEST PILOTS:..
Tholozor Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 It's a misnomer. REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/
Robin_Hood Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 They called it AGM when they started developing it, then they realized it didn't make sense, but the deed was done. I think they officially refrained from using that designation, though, using "Walleye" (I & II) and "Guided weapon, MK X" instead. 2nd French Fighter Squadron
Greyman Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 It's a misnomer. Air to Ground Misnomer? It has a ring to it and might catch on :smilewink:
sk000tch Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Glide ordinance is it’s own thing, got its own (excellent) brevity code and everything fox X - AA Missile Rifle - AG missile Magnum - anti-radiation And of course, Pigs away for gliders just a dude who probably doesn't know what he's talking about
Kang Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 DCS-wise I vote for moving it to missiles to be consistent with the AGM-154s.
QuiGon Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 I would also like to have consistency between the JSOW and the Walleye. Either they are both missiles or they are both bombs. They called it AGM when they started developing it, then they realized it didn't make sense, but the deed was done. I think they officially refrained from using that designation, though, using "Walleye" (I & II) and "Guided weapon, MK X" instead. But then they used the same designation again for the AGm-154 JSOW. :huh: Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
drPhibes Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 ...and the USAF used "F" for the 117, while it should have been an "A" or perhaps a "B". TL;DR: don't expect things to be logical or consistent.
Eviscerador Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 JSOW have a rocket booster so they are launched as if they were missiles. Walleye don't. I think that is the idea behind being in different categories. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
TheBamse Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) The regular A/B/C models of JSOW that we have, or will have, in-game does not have a rocket boost. There is a JSOW-ER but that's not something we have the pleasure of getting our dirty mittens on. Edited October 22, 2019 by TheBamse
Eviscerador Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 The regular A/B/C models of JSOW that we have, or will have, in-game does not have a rocket boost. There is a JSOW-ER but that's not something we have the pleasure of getting our dirty mittens on. Are you sure they don't? Then why they have a small smoke trail when launched and they launch forward? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
razo+r Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 I have never seen a smoke trail from them. Do you have a picture?
mcnabb100 Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 I have never seen a smoke trail from them. Do you have a picture? Yeah I have never seen any smoke or boost from the JSOW, they are purely glide bombs. He might be thinking of mavericks.
BarTzi Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Are you sure they don't? Then why they have a small smoke trail when launched and they launch forward? They absolutely do not have a smoke trail or any kind of motor.
Swift. Posted October 22, 2019 Author Posted October 22, 2019 Maybe he is thinking of contrails. Do JSOWs leave contrails? 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
randomTOTEN Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 I can't imagine they would.. I don't think they exhaust water vapor.... I also personally think JSOW's would be better categorized as a bomb instead of a missile.. but our bomb list is already quite lengthy.. and our missile list not so much. :)
Swift. Posted October 23, 2019 Author Posted October 23, 2019 Contrails are caused by lift aren't they, not any kind of exhaust? 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
randomTOTEN Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 Contrails are "condensation trails" they are condensation, and they form for the same reasons that condensation forms anywhere else.. just this time as a trail behind the aircraft.
Swift. Posted October 23, 2019 Author Posted October 23, 2019 So they form because of the sudden increase in pressure caused by the wings? Anyway, off topic. My original point is that the AGM62 and AGM154 should be in the same category of weapon, because they are both glide bombs. Whether ED want that to be missile or bomb is irrelevant, they should be the same. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
Zee Pet Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 Condensation trails are caused by condensation of the water in the combustion gas at high altitudes, and also result when pressure drops in the air mass fast enough that it is approximately adiabatic and the local temperature of the air lowers below the dew point. ||i5-9600k||MSI GTX1070Ti Duke||16GB DDR4 G.SKILL Ripjaws V||Gigabyte Aorus B360||X56||
randomTOTEN Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 My original point is that the AGM62 and AGM154 should be in the same category of weapon, because they are both glide bombs. Agreed!
Preendog Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 No they should be diffrent because the USA does it that way.
QuiGon Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 No they should be diffrent because the USA does it that way. They do what exactly? They're both designated as Air to Ground Missiles (AGM). Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
schroedi Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 Can you shoot the Walleye down with an A/A missile or a SAM? In DCS you can shoot at missilies, but not at bombs. If it isn't possible because of it's bomb designation it should be moved to the missile category to make it "downshootable" like a JSOW or BK90.
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