MacEwan Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 I know ED is working hard. I know they have a lot on their plate. I know they are passionate about what they do. I appreciate all their hard work. But it really is beyond frustrating being stuck with an incomplete Hornet after years of development, and to add to that, watching development progress at a snail's pace.
Wizard_03 Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 I know ED is working hard. I know they have a lot on their plate. I know they are passionate about what they do. I appreciate all their hard work. But it really is beyond frustrating being stuck with an incomplete Hornet after years of development, and to add to that, watching development progress at a snail's pace. Yes despite all that it’s still frustrating. Absolutely agree. DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer:
Fri13 Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 I don't get you people. I do get them, but that's why I find it illogical and so on funny how they act. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
FalconPlot16 Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 I don't get you people. Yes it sounds pointless but we want to see rest of the product we bought.
clanitho Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 It's now beyond frustrating there's no Hornet additions. It's clear that the 'so called' modern jet team' is working either on 'Warthog 2' for a USAF contract..... or is committed to other projects. It's beyond frustrating that 7 months after the TGP release, zero features have been added to it's functionality. Let alone other items mentioned. It's beyond frustrating that there's no communication regarding a clear road map for Hornet plans. No mini-updates for ages. Please be patient... Quite how this is supposed to be feature complete this year is anyone's guess. +100000 MSI Z97 Gaming 5 - Intel I7 4790K - Artic cooling freezer 7 pro rev 2 - GSKILL 32 Go - SSD Crucial M5 120 go - SSD Crucial 2To - HDD western digital caviar blue 1 TO - Gigabyte GTX 1070 Gaming G1 - Windows 10 home 64 bits
BoneDust Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 I am now, more than ever, interested in knowing whether or not one can taxi over to Cat 3 or 4 and hook up and launch without getting thrown into the air! I'd like to know if just getting hooked up on Cat 1 & 2 still requires some kind of secret hand shake between the "U" key and the comms menu. I'm at work at the moment and it's killing me!! :pilotfly: You still have to do a dance mate. Alienware New Aurora R15 | Windows® 11 Home Premium | 64bit, 13thGen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9 13900KF(24-Core, 68MB| NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 4090, 24GB GDDR6X | 1 X 2TB SSD, 1X 1TB SSD | 64GB, 2x32GB, DDR5, 4800MHz | 1350W PSU, Alienware Cryo-tech (TM) Edition CPU Liquid Cooling power supply | Pimax Crystal VR
BoneDust Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 I understand what guys are saying. I'd like to see some forward movement with the hornet, but right now I think it is more important to have a stable platform. This update has moved us forward, but I noticed some minor stutters near the carrier in my test flight, so there's still a slight memory leak or something else causing stutters; greatly reduced but not eliminated. I noticed that the sim loads much quicker, so that's a nice improvement. I am still seeing that static1 text and whatever the other text says, but that's minor so not a big deal. I do not believe the carrier will be fixed until the new carrier is released, and I'm ok with that if it gets the new carrier out working and out as soon as possible. Alienware New Aurora R15 | Windows® 11 Home Premium | 64bit, 13thGen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9 13900KF(24-Core, 68MB| NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 4090, 24GB GDDR6X | 1 X 2TB SSD, 1X 1TB SSD | 64GB, 2x32GB, DDR5, 4800MHz | 1350W PSU, Alienware Cryo-tech (TM) Edition CPU Liquid Cooling power supply | Pimax Crystal VR
Airhunter Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 I've already made a thread about this recently https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=264685 Most of the stuff is summed up there. I do agree with everyone here, though. It is very frustrating since DCS seems to turn into a bug-fest with every major update. I still remember 2.5.4, which was perfectly stable and just worked for the most part...
Hawkeye_UK Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 Guys whilst also wanting updates for the Hornet - 2.5.6 was such an issue with multiplayer that at present after the initial disappointment of seeing the lack of hornet development its really for most serious multiplayer guys that have pvp which includes CA/ground war its far more important that 2.5.6 and its associated memory leaks and game crashes are resolved. Stop and think - far better to have a stable platform then adding additional aspects that are going to cause issues. After a few test flights it seems better, early hours yet however. I would far rather nothing new comes out until 2.5.6 is running smooth as silk. Concentrating on the core code and game engine should be the absolute priority not whether a TGP has a hud indicator or not. Its nearly as bad as people complaining about fps in VR that are running on last generation hardware. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DCS & BMS F4E | F14B | AV-8B | F15E | F18C | F16C | F5E | F86 | A10C | JF17 | Viggen |M2000 | F1 | L-39 | C101 | Mig15 | Mig21 | Mig29 | SU27 | SU33 | F15C | AH64 | MI8 | Mi24 | Huey | KA50 | Gazelle | CH47 | OH58D | P47 | P51 | BF109 | FW190A/D | Spitfire | Mossie | CA | Persian Gulf | Nevada | Normandy | Channel | Syria | South Atlantic | Sinai | Kola | Afgan | Iraq Liquid Cooled ROG 690 13700K @ 5.9Ghz | RTX3090 FTW Ultra | 64GB DDR4 3600 MHz | 2x2TB SSD m2 Samsung 980/990 | Pimax Crystal/Reverb G2 | MFG Crosswinds | Virpil T50/CM3 | Winwing & Cougar MFD's | Buddyfox UFC | Winwing TOP & CP | Jetseat
Arctander Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 That is of course assuming that ‘the fast jet team’ have been pulled off the modules they are meant to be working on to fix core issues such as memory leaks which both community manages have said is not the case. So in the absence of any evidence that work has progressed on the Hornet and Viper through sharing images and video on something like a mini-update, we can only be left to believe that progress on both has slowed to a crawl for some reason. It is *intensely* frustrating that this keeps happening, and ED for all the public relations comments made, have not provided any tangible evidence that enables use to have confidence that they can hit their goal for this year I am on of those who also will never buy another EA product from them and regret purchasing tye Hornet when I did. I do not believe ED provided sufficient Information prior to purchase for me to make an informed decision on whether I would be satisfied with the time frame for final delivery.
Steel Jaw Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 the focus for this patch was getting 2.5.6 stability sorted before adding new features. Been ED around a long time since your Flanker 1.0. Honestly, ED needs to expand its beta testing base. I saw in the latest weekend update this is being looked into but remains by invite only. Maybe ED ought to not snub offers made. My advice is to cast a wider net to include folks some on your end dont like and bring them in. In my case, I have a ton of free time at odd hours and stand ready. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
hanab Posted March 4, 2020 Author Posted March 4, 2020 I am on of those who also will never buy another EA product from them and regret purchasing tye Hornet when I did. I do not believe ED provided sufficient Information prior to purchase for me to make an informed decision on whether I would be satisfied with the time frame for final delivery. +1
BarTzi Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 Still no HUD indicator (crosshair) for the TGP. It´s nearly awkward! It doesn't exist in the real plane. It shouldn't be a thing in DCS.
Sickdog Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 You still have to do a dance mate. Pretty sure I know what you’re saying, but for anyone wanting clarification, NO, the catapult bug isn’t fixed in today’s update. And YES, frustrating as heck. TM Warthog, TPR, TM MFDs, Pimax Crystal, AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D. ASUS ROG Crossair X670E Hero AMD X670, G Skill Trident Z5 DDR5 64GB
Steel Jaw Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 the catapult bug isn’t fixed in today’s update. Same. I tried the "u" key repeatedly on several occasions, no go. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
Raisuli Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 Been ED around a long time since your Flanker 1.0. Honestly, ED needs to expand its beta testing base. I saw in the latest weekend update this is being looked into but remains by invite only. Maybe ED ought to not snub offers made. My advice is to cast a wider net to include folks some on your end dont like and bring them in. In my case, I have a ton of free time at odd hours and stand ready. Without intending any disparagement, and certainly not suggesting this applies to anyone (mostly because I don't know anyone here) a bad tester can be worse than no tester. That's just a QA fact of life. The more complex the system the harder it is to test.
=4c=Nikola Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 I wonder whether they have some automated test system developed that would ensure core game is running properly before releasing it Do not expect fairness. The times of chivalry and fair competition are long gone.
BoneDust Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 Pretty sure I know what you’re saying, but for anyone wanting clarification, NO, the catapult bug isn’t fixed in today’s update. And YES, frustrating as heck. Yes, sorry. You can use the CATs if you call ATC and hit the U key several times. You may have to call ATC a few more times but eventually you will connect. You may black out on launch but use F2 view and you'll be fine. The blackout is only 7 seconds or so. My guess is you will not see a fix to the current carrier until the new carrier is released. I understand the frustrations but I think ED is doing the right thing by getting 2.5.6 stable. If it is a major concern to folks they can easily role back or switch to the stable version. Alienware New Aurora R15 | Windows® 11 Home Premium | 64bit, 13thGen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9 13900KF(24-Core, 68MB| NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 4090, 24GB GDDR6X | 1 X 2TB SSD, 1X 1TB SSD | 64GB, 2x32GB, DDR5, 4800MHz | 1350W PSU, Alienware Cryo-tech (TM) Edition CPU Liquid Cooling power supply | Pimax Crystal VR
BoneDust Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 Been ED around a long time since your Flanker 1.0. Honestly, ED needs to expand its beta testing base. I saw in the latest weekend update this is being looked into but remains by invite only. Maybe ED ought to not snub offers made. My advice is to cast a wider net to include folks some on your end dont like and bring them in. In my case, I have a ton of free time at odd hours and stand ready. I'm not sure that would help because they currently have an entire community of beta testers. Most people want to beta test because they get the latest improvements (the reason so many fly the beta over the stable), but if that's their main reason they are the worst testers ED could have. Proper Beta testing is extremely tedious and boring. You also need to understand the way a system should work, and you need to keep your opinion from public eyes. It is not a fun job. Alienware New Aurora R15 | Windows® 11 Home Premium | 64bit, 13thGen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9 13900KF(24-Core, 68MB| NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 4090, 24GB GDDR6X | 1 X 2TB SSD, 1X 1TB SSD | 64GB, 2x32GB, DDR5, 4800MHz | 1350W PSU, Alienware Cryo-tech (TM) Edition CPU Liquid Cooling power supply | Pimax Crystal VR
Paco Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 Wasn't expecting a Hornet update after the dumpster fire of an update that was released. There's a lot of work to be done and I hope ED is trying to fix it. After buying the Hornet in EA and doing some thinking, I made the decision to not purchase a complex aircraft in EA again. Especially any module produced by ED. Previously, I bought modules to support ED, even ones I didn't want. No more. Their business model and customer base supports releasing half-baked products and then neglecting them for years, while they release more half-baked products. The data points are there, so you shouldn't be surprised. I assume most of us wouldn't support this type of business venture from a contractor working on our house but we accept in the DCS community. Releasing something in EA is not a license to let it sit for years, while you hide behind the, "well it's in early access...…", "...we plan this year...…" . ED has to regain lost trust among a portion of their customer base. I suspect this portion will grow in number. ED needs to put some trust points on the board and the clock is ticking. Paco
Sabre_Ewan Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 ... but right now I think it is more important to have a stable platform... Should have told ED that before they unleashed 2.5.6!
MacEwan Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 Getting DCS to be truly stable and bug free is the eternal struggle, this has been going on as far back as I can remember. I just hate to see another broken link being added with all these half baked, half complete modules. And I say this coming from a good place, I want nothing but success for ED and DCS but something has to change
AegisFX Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 The DCS community has the worst batch of beta testers I have ever shared a forum with and I love you all. Please, join the stable branch so we can get more servers on 2.5.5... please. Owned: Ryzen 3900x, MSI AMD 470x mobo, 32gb 3200MHz ram, Gtx 1660 Ti, 970 Evo Plus 500GB, MsFFB2, TIR5, TMWH+18c Stick, MFG Crosswinds, Buttkicker/SSA, WinWing F-18C . Next is VR for simpit Art Of The Kill:
kaoqumba Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 They should really make a roadmap or something so we can check what they are working on and a circa timeline when we can expect these things. That alone would help to prevent a lot of frustration. Even if these timelines aren't always met. Just tell ppl. When you wait weeks for a patch and it includes like nothing you eagerly been waiting for, that makes ppl frustrated. The real Hornet doesn't have one, so we won't get it. They said that weeks ago. They have already announced their recent plans. "In January, there will be many updates to the targeting pod; from February, most of the work will be transferred to the development of air to ground radar mode; by the end of 2020, all the functions will be completed." now, the first plan and the second plan are delayed. Obviously, the third goal is difficult to achieve
victorlima01 Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 DCS forums these days feels like Groundhog day. Same old threads and same old posts. I've been a DCS user for little over 18 months, and I certainly share everyone's frustrations. But there's more to life than waiting for the Hornet to be completed. Whilst I do not regret buying the EA version of the bird because of the countless hours of fun its provided me, I am starting to question just how healthy this business model is for the consumer-end. But let's be honest - although the plane is far from being complete, there's no full-fidelity sim coming even close to what they've achieved. And this is a niche business - therefore risky business. For the time being I stand by ED and hope for their continued success. And while I want to say that I won't entertain EA products anymore, I have to confess this might not be true. How much I'd have missed this past year if I hadn't bought the Hornet! Am I contributing to the problem? Maybe... but there's just no right answer here.
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