New SLAM missile

[SteamyIceChest]

With the new SLAM missile coming in the next update, how are we going to figure out how to use it?

[Darcwaynard]

Wags will likely post a video demonstrating how to use it and there will most likely be an update to the manual regarding use of the weapon as has been the case for every other weapon and feature.

 

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[FalconPlot16]

I guess it should work more or less like C802Akg in JF 17.

[isotaan]

I imagine the C-802AKG will be similar to the SLAM-ER that we're also going to get.

 

 

The SLAM we're gonna get is gonna be like a Harpoon married a Walleye but the kid has features of the Maverick, so everyone who wondered who the father really was.

[Datajack]

How do you know the SLAM is coming in the next update?? I see nothing official saying the SLAM is coming out. The official patch status post only mentions the Super Carrier. I would not assume anything until its official.....

 

I know the post by Kate said it was coming by end of month, but I would take that at face value. They said the Super Carrier was coming out April 15th and that didn't happen. Until you see tutorial videos by Matt Wagner, its not going to be there. The only videos he's released so far are only on the Super Carrier. There are still three days before the release and maybe we will see videos in that time, but until then it's only the Super Carrier as far as I'm concerned. Now if they posted this officially somewhere else and I missed it, then please provide a link in this thread.

 

Patch Status URL:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=273255

[isotaan]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4300736&postcount=185

 

 

Dear Community and Hornet Pilots,

 

Today I would like to discuss with you our DCS: F/A-18C Hornet roadmap. We look forward to working with you in a constructive and efficient manner to create an achievable and transparent roadmap that covers the features to be delivered by the end of 2020 that will bring the Hornet out of Early Access.

 

I have also included the features that we plan to work on in 2021 to sustain the Hornet after Early Access completion.

 

DCS: F/A-18C Out of Early Access Features:

 

1. Completion of the Litening Targeting Pod (to be delivered with next update)

2. Dynamic launch zone, AUTO mode for JDAM (to be delivered with next update)

3. AG radar. MAP + Fixed Target Track (FTT) (to be delivered with next update)

4. SLAM air-to-surface missile (to be delivered in next update)

[Weasel]

How do you know the SLAM is coming in the next update?? I see nothing official saying the SLAM is coming out. The official patch status post only mentions the Super Carrier. I would not assume anything until its official.....

 

According to Wags last mini update, we get the SLAM with the next update:

 

1. Completion of the Litening Targeting Pod (to be delivered with next update)

2. Dynamic launch zone, AUTO mode for JDAM (to be delivered with next update)

3. AG radar. MAP + Fixed Target Track (FTT) (to be delivered with next update)

4. SLAM air-to-surface missile (to be delivered in next update)

[AstonMartinDBS]

According to Wags last mini update, we get the SLAM with the next update:

Yeah! Hopefully we'll get some Tutorials from Wags for the new or completed hornet features (AG radar, SLAM, Litening) in the next few days.

[Kang]

Same way we learn everything else... we read the manual.

[Datajack]

According to Wags last mini update, we get the SLAM with the next update:

 

Yeah you all can get your hopes up but until I see a video from Wags then I'm assuming it's not coming out. Like I said before, we still have 3 days to go, but as of right now all I'm counting on is the super carrier....

[SteamyIceChest]

Same way we learn everything else... we read the manual.

 

It’s not in the manual lol

[Datajack]

Here's your answer on what is actually coming, which does NOT include the SLAM.

 

As a software developer myself, I understand how these things work behind the scenes, especially with software as super complex as DCS, which is why I took a wait and see approach. I really think that we need to stop putting so much pressure on EA and give them the time they need to complete their work. Posts like this one set unnecessary expectations and can only lead to negativity and disappointment.

 

What they are building is truly amazing and it's my privilege to support and encourage the hard work done by EA. To Matt, Kate and the rest thank you for your hard work!

 

Dear All,

 

We are planning to deliver the Open Beta update tomorrow, May 20.

According to the previous post we planned to have:

 

1. Completion of the Litening Targeting Pod

2. Dynamic launch zone, AUTO mode for JDAM

3. AG radar. MAP + Fixed Target Track (FTT)

4. SLAM air-to-surface missile

 

All the features are done but we can't technically include AG radar due to terrain enhancements we made for better radar realism that currently break our third party radars and we cannot include SLAM missile due to intercommunication of weapon systems of third parties. This work is underway and will be fixed for June 3rd release.

 

In addition, we changed Fixed Target Track (FTT) to Navigation Stabilized Cursor Designation because FTT requires additional enhancement for all terrains that will be developed later on.

 

Update for Litening Targeting Pod and Dynamic launch zone and AUTO mode for JDAM will be delivered as expected.

 

Litening Targeting Pod will not include updates for LTD/R and LST (laser), automatic laser illumination, OFFSET cursor and AA mods. The features will be delivered with update for June 3rd.

 

Sincerely,

The Eagle Dynamics Team

[SteamyIceChest]

I’m relatively new to DCS and was just curious how people going about learning how to use new systems/weapons as they are released.

 

No intentions of forcing any kind of expectations for release.

[Revelation]

I’m relatively new to DCS and was just curious how people going about learning how to use new systems/weapons as they are released.

 

No intentions of forcing any kind of expectations for release.

 

Wags, generally, puts out instructional videos just prior to release. Then you have many other YouTubers that get "closed beta access" or "preview access" and they, too, will put out videos on how to use certain features.

 

After that it is reading the manual and trying it out yourself.

[TheGuardian]

Here's your answer on what is actually coming, which does NOT include the SLAM.

 

As a software developer myself, I understand how these things work behind the scenes, especially with software as super complex as DCS, which is why I took a wait and see approach. I really think that we need to stop putting so much pressure on EA and give them the time they need to complete their work. Posts like this one set unnecessary expectations and can only lead to negativity and disappointment.

 

What they are building is truly amazing and it's my privilege to support and encourage the hard work done by EA. To Matt, Kate and the rest thank you for your hard work!

 

So we get 1 out of the 4. Not bad considering. At least they didn't wait till tomorrow to say it.

[fmedges]

Here's your answer on what is actually coming, which does NOT include the SLAM.

 

As a software developer myself, I understand how these things work behind the scenes, especially with software as super complex as DCS, which is why I took a wait and see approach. I really think that we need to stop putting so much pressure on EA and give them the time they need to complete their work. Posts like this one set unnecessary expectations and can only lead to negativity and disappointment.

 

What they are building is truly amazing and it's my privilege to support and encourage the hard work done by EA. To Matt, Kate and the rest thank you for your hard work!

 

They put the pressure on themselves. I didn’t make a post saying it will be released in the next update, they did and they keep doing it. If they don’t want criticism for missing dates then stop posting about dates. Who is setting unrealistic expectations? The consumer or the developer?

[Furiz]

They put the pressure on themselves. I didn’t make a post saying it will be released in the next update, they did and they keep doing it. If they don’t want criticism for missing dates then stop posting about dates. Who is setting unrealistic expectations? The consumer or the developer?

 

 

The problem is those people always asking for dates, if they ignore then "no communication" rage on the forum, if they give a date they do say it is subject to change, but ppl still whine about it;P

[TheGuardian]

Here's your answer on what is actually coming, which does NOT include the SLAM.

 

As a software developer myself, I understand how these things work behind the scenes, especially with software as super complex as DCS, which is why I took a wait and see approach. I really think that we need to stop putting so much pressure on EA and give them the time they need to complete their work. Posts like this one set unnecessary expectations and can only lead to negativity and disappointment.

As far as pressure goes with EA, you can rest that blame solely on ED and their PR team. Would rather then tell us a date they think will work and change it due to circumstances later. As long as they are communicating issues/plans, I'm good.

 

I love when the software devs come out to defend ED. I hear software dev and I pretty much think engineer, and as a machinist, engineers are about as useful as single ply toilet paper. Most think they know how something works, but have no actual knowledge of why something works the way it does. Can't tell you how many times I send drawings/plans back because Mr/Mrs College Degree lack fundamental understanding of the WHY, but still want to argue they are right and I'm wrong. Pretty sad actually.

[Datajack]

Let me ask you this: If the customers were not constantly complaining would the developer be forced into giving dates? They read all the negativity on here and their reaction is to try and be transparent. DCS is as complex as you're going to find when it comes to software. There is NO WAY they can give dates and stick to them because things come up that are unforeseen. And what does the community do? They complain more.

[TheGuardian]

The problem is those people always asking for dates, if they ignore then "no communication" rage on the forum, if they give a date they do say it is subject to change, but ppl still whine about it;P

 

Yea but people are always going to complain, that does mean ED has to run kiss the feet of everyone making demands on the forum. Without starting the circular argument of "I paid for it/When will it be Finished", simple communication is the key. They stated they planned for the 20th, crap happened and it can't be release. They said as much in a somewhat timely fashion. No one should be upset by them having to postpone. At least they are talking.

Edited May 19, 2020 by TheGuardian

[TheGuardian]

Let me ask you this: If the customers were not constantly complaining would the developer be forced into giving dates? They read all the negativity on here and their reaction is to try and be transparent. DCS is as complex as you're going to find when it comes to software. There is NO WAY they can give dates and stick to them because things come up that are unforeseen. And what does the community do? They complain more.

 

True, but DCS being complex should have no bearing on ED being transparent about what's in the pipeline and where they think they are. The problem starts when "WE" view those dates as hard dates, which simply isn't possible in DCS. Communication is important, they have to talk about where they are. With the EA program, while not a completely true analog, we "customers" are more like investors. We paid for these items unfinished with the plan being ED finishing them. They should have to report what is going on.

[Northstar98]

They put the pressure on themselves. I didn’t make a post saying it will be released in the next update, they did and they keep doing it. If they don’t want criticism for missing dates then stop posting about dates. Who is setting unrealistic expectations? The consumer or the developer?

 

The problem is certain somebodies say that if they don't put out dates, it means they have no plans to do it (seriously).

 

The same somebodies also complain about not releasing expected dates - you can't please everyone.

 

And like with everything, curb your expectations - hope for the best, prepare for the worst - things will become a lot easier to swallow.

 

Also, I'm a stable user + I'm also one of the youngest people on here, I've always managed to put up with waiting for things, recognising that this stuff isn't as easy or predictable as we would like it to be, as well as recognising that some problems can be both large and last minute.

 

No software developer, especially in the realms of what we're dealing with can give us a guaranteed date, and I think some communications problems can be the result of an unforeseen problem that causes some planned stuff to be pushed back.

 

Also, generally speaking, implementing features in successive updates instead of doing it all in one big go seems like a better option to my untrained eyes.

Edited May 19, 2020 by Northstar98

[dawgie79]

Who is setting unrealistic expectations? The consumer or the developer?

The consumer. First they keep asking for dates, so ED gives dates with the disclaimer "subject to change". Then, when dates change, the whining starts from the same people who were asking for the dates in the first place.

[fmedges]

As far as pressure goes with EA, you can rest that blame solely on ED and their PR team. Would rather then tell us a date they think will work and change it due to circumstances later. As long as they are communicating issues/plans, I'm good.

 

I love when the software devs come out to defend ED. I hear software dev and I pretty much think engineer, and as a machinist, engineers are about as useful as single ply toilet paper. Most think they know how something works, but have no actual knowledge of why something works the way it does. Can't tell you how many times I send drawings/plans back because Mr/Mrs College Degree lack fundamental understanding of the WHY, but still want to argue they are right and I'm wrong. Pretty sad actually.

 

As someone who has worked as a machinist and as a software dev I understand where you are coming from but think of it this way. As a software dev you are making the prints and also machining the parts so it’s not a one to one comparison. If the event of a change they would change the design, update the design document and change the implementation all themselves. Completely different then sending plans back for a revision to someone else because they don’t understand tolerance stacking for instance. What I can say about software is they every feature or bug fix I do has a date on it and is tracked on a board. Missing dates happens but only internally. Missing dates to a customer is very bad and in a business software world is usually accompanied by monetary penalties. We would never tell a customer that a feature is in until its merged into the release branch and through QA testing.

Edited May 19, 2020 by fmedges

[fmedges]

The consumer. First they keep asking for dates, so ED gives dates with the disclaimer "subject to change". Then, when dates change, the whining starts from the same people who were asking for the dates in the first place.

 

It’s easy. Don’t say a feature is in until it’s in. You can say we’re working on this and that but the problem they keep running into is saying this is in when it’s not. Everything in the software development world is dates. Bug fixes have target fix dates, features have dates, iterations have dates, releases have dates. All of the planning and work is towards dates. If they are uncomfortable with meeting dates then their process is flawed and they are in the wrong business to be honest.