TGP Offset Cursor

[AstonMartinDBS]

With the today's OB Update 2.5.6.49718 the TGP got an Offset Cursor. Some things I found out so far:

 

• OPR - able to slew the TGP - TDC Depress = designates a target (i. e. transferring coordinates to selected JDAM station) [same behaviour as before]
  
• ATRK - unable to slew the TGP - TDC Depress = activates the offset cursor - Slew affects the cursor only - TDC Depress again = designates a target
  
• PTRK - works analogue to ATRK mode
  

Undesignate doesn't undesignate a designated target anymore and the TGP stays in last position. I didn't find out, how to get the TGP back into boresight.

 

Cage/Uncage stows the TGP @180° positon.

 

I was also unable to re-designate (another) WP with the WPDSGN OSB via HSI. Last target designation seems to stay permanent.

 

On a test run with 4 JDAMs on 4 stations (1 each) for 4 targets OPR mode worked as before. In ATRK mode (using the offset cursor for target designation) different coordinates have been transferred to each station but none of the 4 JDAMs hitted a target. I've forgot to save the track... :(

 

It seems, the TGP is still tough WIP and I hope we'll get a tutorial soon.

Edited May 26, 2020 by AstonMartinDBS

[some1]

Getting PTRK to track a moving target is now very tricky. Is that supposed to be that way?

[Tholozor]

At the moment, it doesn't appear the we have the ability to properly designate an offset position to its true position because we currently have no way to obtain the new slant range. If we wanted to laser range it, the pod would need to look at it, defeating the purpose of the offset. The only other ways to obtain the range would be to radar range it (if within gimbal limit), or calculate it with digital terrain data based on the angular offset from the pod's present LOS (if that's even a function the Hornet can perform).

 

As AstonMartin said, pretty sure the pod is WIP, so we can probably expect changes down the line.

[LTPERRY]

Getting PTRK to track a moving target is now very tricky. Is that supposed to be that way?

 

 

Same feeling here :joystick:

[Shimmergloom667]

Yeah, I too encountered these issues after talking to a fellow pilot on FB about it. Where everything was working kinda reliantly yesterday, now I too have issues getting it to correctly undesignate targets and return to slewable modes in PTRK and ATRK, with about the same issues as the OP has. Forgot that it doesn't autosave SP tracks, so I got none at hand, can supply it tomorrow though, if needed.

 

A video of me mumbling here:

(I was trying to help out the aforementioned fb fellow pilot with it, since it worked yesterday and I thought I had it down).

[zildac]

Agreed, I've had the same issue this evening. TGP seems a bit "broken". I have no way of getting back to boresight mode, I also noticed the offset cursor with PTRK. Also WPDSG no longer sems to slew the TGP to the selected waypoint. Was working as expected up until 49718.

[Peter22]

Agreed, I've had the same issue this evening. TGP seems a bit "broken". I have no way of getting back to boresight mode, I also noticed the offset cursor with PTRK. Also WPDSG no longer sems to slew the TGP to the selected waypoint. Was working as expected up until 49718.

yeah now when in PTRK after lock anywhere in a area we can move the cross + and point to any movers /depress /and the maverick will follow the target moving , not the TGP , however we can see the seeker following...after weapon release , we loose track with mav seeker , however it will hit the target..sooo weird!!!

[Wizard_03]

Anyone try using JDAM erase to clear the designation for the bomb itself?

[Tholozor]

Don't use the ERASE function, that'll brick the JDAM.

[Zyll]

what is the TGP Offset Cursor supposed to do? I just see that existing functionality related to slewing in different modes is broken when it worked before.

[Wizard_03]

Does undesignate get hung up with dumb bombs too or just JDAMs?

[Honez]

Trying to use the TPOD today was very frustrating to say the least. I guess we will be flying missions that don't require it for a while till they can get it fixed.

 

I consider it unusable!

[Shimmergloom667]

Trying to use the TPOD today was very frustrating to say the least. I guess we will be flying missions that don't require it for a while till they can get it fixed.

 

I consider it unusable!

 

It isn't unusable, at some points it just needs a hearty kick to get back to being slewable. Usually caging it and then returning to one of the other modes does the trick for me. It is certainly a workaround.

[Santi871]

If you want to slew the pod you need to break area track or point track using sensor control switch towards the FLIR page (once if you are in point track or twice if you are in area track)

[Oilman100]

Same feeling here :joystick:

 

If you go into FLIR mode and designate it tracks pretty much 100% of the time, in CCD it is allot more tricky. I tend to use CCD to identify the right target and the switch to FLIR for point track mode.

[nickos86]

If you want to slew the pod you need to break area track or point track using sensor control switch towards the FLIR page (once if you are in point track or twice if you are in area track)

 

Santi, can you give some info regarding when should the OFFSET cursor is effective?

What's it purpose. I notice that although I can't slew - i can move the OFFSET cursor... Then, by breaking the track - it moves to where the OFFSET cursor was located.

What's the operation idea of this feature? Thanks!

[Shimmergloom667]

If you want to slew the pod you need to break area track or point track using sensor control switch towards the FLIR page (once if you are in point track or twice if you are in area track)

 

That is very helpful! Thank you, looking forward to the finished thing and all HOTAS controls! :)

[Phantom453]

Why no video from ED on this functionality?

[FlyBoyd]

My squadron mates were doing some training with it tonight and we think they messed with the TGP in preparation for the ground attack radar. It’s similar to when they were going to release the super carrier, the update right before that messed up the normal carrier ops.

 

It is definitely frustrating but not unusable. I’ve heard the 3rd of June update is supposed to release the radar, so maybe then it will be fixed.

[Shimmergloom667]

Why no video from ED on this functionality?

 

Because its not yet finished, but will be shortly

[ebabil]

at first, I thought HUD cursor has come but meh :D

[Peter22]

If you want to slew the pod you need to break area track or point track using sensor control switch towards the FLIR page (once if you are in point track or twice if you are in area track)

 

towards the FLIR page?

[Swift.]

towards the FLIR page?

 

Yeah, so if the FLIR is on the right DDI then you bump the castle switch to the right

[maxTRX]

Undesignate doesn't undesignate a designated target anymore and the TGP stays in last position. I didn't find out, how to get the TGP back into boresight.

 

 

Yea, it's still buggy. There is a method to this madness tho' (undesignating): Press cage then VVSL (pinky). Without tgt designated I could switch between Snowplow and VVSL with 'pinky' (double click in quick succesion:noexpression:)

[zildac]

Is it just me, as well as the issues outlined in the posts above, I also can't WPDSG and have the TGP automatically slew to the preset WPT. Is this a newly introduced bug or has the behaviour been changed on purpose?

 

 

I'm not doing anything differently from before. Cage/Uncage doesn't return the TGP to bore sight mode and even if I switch from AG -> AA -> AG the TGP uncages but all I still can't WPDSG to get it to automatically slew. It is pretty useless in it's current state, so I hope it is just a series of bugs rather than "new behaviour" :joystick: