Budget VR

[draconus]

Hi,

I wonder if any of you got low spec rig running VR in DCS? I'm thinking more and more about getting into VR but certainly low cost one. I see some offerings like $100 DK or CV1 Rifts or $300 S versions. What I read S is much better in visual quality but not much more demanding performance wise.

 

Now the PC - my current h/w:

G4560@3,5GHz/DDR4-16GB/GTX970-4GB/SATA3-SSD, Win7-64, 27"LCD-FullHD, T16000M HOTAS, customTiR

 

I plan to upgrade eventually to 10100F CPU, 32GB and Win10. New better card is too much for me atm.

 

I'm rather used to lower fps and low gfx settings so I don't expect smoothness or good visual quality. I'd love to hear your thoughts about this. Can it be any playable/immersive in this setup?

[Taz1004]

I wouldn't recommend it.  You may be disappointed and may put you off VR.

Your system first.  Then VR later.

[speed-of-heat]

the issue will be can you keep the cpu and gpu frame times in reprojection/ASW .. and i agree with @Taz1004your experience is likely to be ... unencouraging ... 

[dburne]

16 minutes ago, Taz1004 said:

I wouldn't recommend it.  You may be disappointed and may put you off VR.

Your system first.  Then VR later.

 

Agreed.

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

Maybe a second hand GTX 1080 could help you. No idea about your current CPU horsepower.
Also check second hand for Rift S, Odyssey +... I wouldn´t go lower than that. Trust me, a couple of years ago I was flying Rift CV1 with a GTX 1060 3Gb, and felt stunning despite everything else!

[draconus]

So the minimum system would be like 1070 plus Rift S?

[speed-of-heat]

i would say a 1080 an d a 6600k... 

[Svsmokey]

On 12/29/2020 at 11:59 AM, draconus said:

So the minimum system would be like 1070 plus Rift S?

I'm currently running a 1070 and a Rift S . Do i want more ? Absolutely ! But the experience right now is still mind-blowing , even after 2 years in DCS VR .

[draconus]

On 12/29/2020 at 12:46 PM, draconus said:

I plan to upgrade eventually to 10100F CPU, 32GB and Win10. New better card is too much for me atm.

So I didn't listen to you all (but still grateful for comments ) and went with Rift S upgrading a bit to this:

- i3-10100F 3.6-4.3GHz 4c/8t on H410 MB

- Windows 10

- stayed with 16GB DDR4 2666 as I don't need more RAM

- same card GTX 970 4GB (no way I buy anything better now with the current prices!)

...and I am super impressed! I'm glad I did that. There's no way I'm going back to high res clear pancake with cropped, distorted and flat window to the world!

Don't get me wrong - it's low res, low fps of course now and I totaly look forward to better card and experience but it'll have to wait with what I have for now.

 

What's with that constant shake in the cockpit? Even if aircraft is parked cold and I keep my head still it's hard to click anything. There is nothing like that in other VR apps or even at the Mig-29 Su-27 scene in main DCS menu. Is there any fix for that?

Edit: It is in the menu and other apps too - just didn't notice that much.

Edited July 21, 2021 by draconus

[speed-of-heat]

16 minutes ago, draconus said:

 

 There is nothing like that in other VR apps or even at the Mig-29 scene in main DCS menu. Is there any fix for that?

yes you can change the VR Scene F-14 VR Ultimate Xperience (F14VUX) (digitalcombatsimulator.com) as an example but also  Main menu hangar - Virtual Reality - ED Forums (eagle.ru)

 

i realise i  misunderstood what you were saying... i dont get a constant shake in VR... something in your tracking may be off ?

Edited April 20, 2021 by speed-of-heat

[jmossr]

I'm not a VR user but this topic seems to propose an interesting solution: Mouse pointer and head movement in VR
Currently not available in DCS as far as I understand 

[pixie]

45 minutes ago, draconus said:

So I didn't listen to you all (but still grateful for comments ) and went with Rift S upgrading a bit to this:

- i3-10100F 3.6-4.3GHz 4c/8t on H410 MB

- Windows 10

- stayed with 16GB DDR4 2666 as I don't need more RAM

- same card GTX 970 4GB (no way I buy anything better now with the current prices!)

...and I am super impressed! I'm glad I did that. There's no way I'm going back to high res clear pancake with cropped, distorted and flat window to the world!

Don't get me wrong - it's low res, low fps of course now and I totaly look forward to better card and experience but it'll have to wait with what I have for now.

 

What's with that constant shake in the cockpit? Even if aircraft is parked cold and I keep my head still it's hard to click anything. There is nothing like that in other VR apps or even at the Mig-29 scene in main DCS menu. Is there any fix for that?

Glad you took the plunge and enjoyed the experience. I have what is considered a low end specs too (gtx 1070). What helps immensely regarding smoothness is running Oculus Tray Tool and forcing ASW at 30Hz. You can also play with the bit rate tab (named rift link) and try some GPU preset. Hope this helps bringing you some extra fps/smoothness.

Edited April 20, 2021 by pixie

[draconus]

24 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said:

i dont get a constant shake in VR... something in your tracking may be off ?

The tracking is super smooth. That "shake", more like constant wandering, I see in every DCS VR video. It's like you can't keep the virtual head still but my head really is still. I didn't have this problem with TrackIR.

 

Thx @pixie I will definitely try some optimisations.

Edited April 20, 2021 by draconus

[speed-of-heat]

i honestly don't see that problem ?

[DerekSpeare]

Make sure that CPU is using AVX.  If not, no VR.  VR must have a cpu with AVX.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions

[draconus]

41 minutes ago, DerekSpeare said:

Make sure that CPU is using AVX.  If not, no VR.  VR must have a cpu with AVX.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions

Even Pentiums and Celerons have it since 2020.

[DerekSpeare]

G4560 doesn't have AVX.  As I understand it, no AVX. no VR.   But one dude on Reddit says he runs the Oculus with that cpu. 

 

But in any event, VR will be likely a very poor experience with your hardware, if it will run at all on it and with Windows 7.

 

Edited April 21, 2021 by DerekSpeare

[draconus]

@DerekSpeare Dude, I already upgraded some and went VR.

https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/257115-budget-vr/?do=findComment&comment=4635238

 

[Gruman]

Well, there shouldnt be any visible shaking inside the rift s. There can be shaking visible from the 2d mirror.

If it is shaking, make sure your room is well lit and tidy. Remove, if possible, any objects that can reflect light

Also some contrast for the camera is beneficial. Dont sit infront of a clean white wall. Get some pictures or similiar.

 

Plug in some earbuds to get rid of those horrible speakers on the Rift S. Enjoy the VR experience.

[draconus]

I use small headphones that fit under the strap just well.

I have no tracking problem - it is super smooth. I'll have to check with more light again just to test.

I'll describe it another way. Get into cockpit and put a mouse cursor over some switch. Can you hold it still? Mine wanders constantly around the switch which make accurate clicking very hard.

[Gruman]

Ah, I missunderstood. 

Yeah, this is sadly normal. Its an addition of your head shaking and your  mouse movement. Probably a lot harder, if you have a high DPI mouse.

You can disable the mouse and just use your VR Cursor (Go to UI Options under Controls and setup a right and left mouse button). You could also use a low DPI Mouse setting or switch to a trackball. Or you just give yourself time to get used to it :). You will.

 

As jmossr posted, there is sadly no way to have the mouse unlinked to your view, yet. Let's hope ED will give us this option in the future.

[draconus]

Thx, @Gruman, this is a serious problem that affects probably every VR user, I'm surprised this haven't been fixed already. I'll try with VR cursor.

[Gruman]

It's not that bad. Was only ever an issue if I would need to click a switch which is located to the side/afterwards of the pilot. Everything in the front you get used very quickly.

[speed-of-heat]

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Edited April 21, 2021 by speed-of-heat