missing info Bomb splash damage

[MaRaud3r]

It seems whatever bomb you drop (especially american ones) only a very short distance away (maybe 5-10m) away from vehicles from WWII planes, it has no effect whatever.

 

Is splash damage modelled in WW2 ordinance?

[msalama]

Splash damage is modelled although the effect is arguably kind of weak, but shrapnel damage isn't modelled at all.

[Bailey]

If you can provide data about what the "correct" numbers should be, surely ED will take it into account.

[CoBlue]

On 1/9/2021 at 8:25 AM, Bailey said:

If you can provide data about what the "correct" numbers should be, surely ED will take it into account.

I'm sure ED can do an more correct calculation, just google "explosion calculator".

 

Right now bomb & rocket damage are to weak. So what's the point of buying the Mosquito? 

[NineLine]

I would like to see tracks of where you are not damaging vehicles, what type of vehicles, etc.

 

On 1/17/2021 at 9:47 PM, CoBlue said:

I'm sure ED can do an more correct calculation, just google "explosion calculator".

 

Right now bomb & rocket damage are to weak. So what's the point of buying the Mosquito? 

 

If you are buying the Mosquito as a tank buster, then you probably don't want the Mosquito. Its going to be more about low fast strikes against targets like airbases (and hopefully a famous prison). Its will be good for pathfinding, etc. Its not a dog fighter and not a tank buster for sure, although I am sure we can find a way to make both those things happen in DCS.

 

Read this as well, its interesting https://www.historynet.com/myth-of-the-tankbuster.htm

[Nealius]

Splash damage is taken into account, but it effects a health bar on the unit. So unless that splash damage reduces the health bar close to zero, you will see no visible effect on the unit.

[CoBlue]

On 1/30/2021 at 1:51 AM, NineLine said:

I would like to see tracks of where you are not damaging vehicles, what type of vehicles, etc.

 

 

If you are buying the Mosquito as a tank buster, then you probably don't want the Mosquito. Its going to be more about low fast strikes against targets like airbases (and hopefully a famous prison). Its will be good for pathfinding, etc. Its not a dog fighter and not a tank buster for sure, although I am sure we can find a way to make both those things happen in DCS.

 

Read this as well, its interesting https://www.historynet.com/myth-of-the-tankbuster.htm

No I want to do realistic missions with realistic weapon damage. Nothing as frustrating as flying an 1.5h WWII, Cold-war or heli mission. And discover your weapons didn't even scratch the targets.

Bombs & rocket damage on non-armored vehicles & infantry. You can miss a truck with a bomb 5m & it will keep on driving, same with rockets you need direct hits. Even if the "life-bar on F10) is 20% the soldier or armed-truck keeps on driving, shooting.

[NineLine]

One, we have said that we need a better DM for ground units, its not suitable for what we have now.

 

Two, I need tracks. 

[grafspee]

I can confirm, i dropped GBU-10 between 2 Ural trucks only slight damage.

Just set 2 trucks within 2 truck length, then put gbu-10  in the middle.

 

Edited January 31, 2021 by grafspee

[grafspee]

11 hours ago, CoBlue said:

No I want to do realistic missions with realistic weapon damage. Nothing as frustrating as flying an 1.5h WWII, Cold-war or heli mission. And discover your weapons didn't even scratch the targets.

Bombs & rocket damage on non-armored vehicles & infantry. You can miss a truck with a bomb 5m & it will keep on driving, same with rockets you need direct hits. Even if the "life-bar on F10) is 20% the soldier or armed-truck keeps on driving, shooting.

Agree, when flying A-10 with precision guide munition not a big deal, but ww2 or cold war when you miss your soft target by a couple of feet and splash damage is too weak to take it unarmored truck down, this is frustrating. 

Edited January 31, 2021 by grafspee

[CoBlue]

On 1/30/2021 at 1:51 AM, NineLine said:

I would like to see tracks of where you are not damaging vehicles, what type of vehicles, etc.

Tracks & pics attached. F-18 mk-82 vs free WWII units, vehicles & infantry.. P-47 bombs vs free WWII units, vehicles & infantry. P-47 HAVAR rockets vs. free WWII units, vehicles & infantry.P47 BOMBS DAMAGE TEST 2 .trk

F18 MK82 DAMAGE TEST 2 .trk

Continuing...since ONLY 5mb limit

P47 ROCKETS DAMAGE TEST .trk

mk82

Edited January 31, 2021 by CoBlue

[CoBlue]

P47 bombs. 3 biggest bombs per crater.

P47 rockets. Mi-8 S-8OFP2 below.

Edited January 31, 2021 by CoBlue

[CoBlue]

mk82

[CoBlue]

On 1/30/2021 at 1:51 AM, NineLine said:

I would like to see tracks of where you are not damaging vehicles, what type of vehicles, etc.

Even better pics & tracks. But on very concentrated targets where you can see rocket/bomb craters more clearly.

P-47 3 biggest bombs vs free WWII units, vehicles & infantry. P-47 full load HVAR rockets vs. free WWII units, vehicles & infantry.

 

With this bomb/rocket damage model I don't see the Mosquito, or any other non-precision bomb/rocket aircraft, being fun to fly at all in DCS missions, beside doing strafing runs.

 

There are almost daily complains about the splash-damage for several years on the forum & nothing being done about it! Better to over-do it then under-do it.

 

1st pic bombs. 2nd rockets. 3rd bomb damage f10.

p-47 bombsS DAMAGE TEST 3 .trk p-47 ROCKETS DAMAGE TEST 3 .trk

Edited January 31, 2021 by CoBlue

[philstyle]

Your images make it looks fine to me - in fact until I read you text I thought you were trying to prove that it was OK based n the images alone. Blast damage on vehicles around 25 to 30m. Infantry 50m+

A 2nd bomb would have completely destroyed most of the close in vehicles. All the ones that were at half health bar.

 

Mosquito looks like it will be VERY effective.

[CoBlue]

6 hours ago, philstyle said:

Your images make it looks fine to me - in fact until I read you text I thought you were trying to prove that it was OK based n the images alone. Blast damage on vehicles around 25 to 30m. Infantry 50m+

A 2nd bomb would have completely destroyed most of the close in vehicles. All the ones that were at half health bar.

 

Mosquito looks like it will be VERY effective.

I'm sure an mk-82 would do more damage to those WWII trucks....plenty of more similar pics.

[NineLine]

Do you think that is a good target layout for 1 Mk-82? How many of those trucks do you think would be destroyed?

[Mogster]

Mk82 is only 500lbs. 
 

WW2 rockets were horribly inaccurate. The RAF reckoned on 5% accuracy on a vehicle sized target. Of course there is the psychological effect of rockets which was assumed to be much greater. 

[NineLine]

So I watched the P-47 Rockets Damage 3, you managed these kills:

You damaged a number more units, and they were spread out pretty well.

Not sure I really see an issue there. Were you expecting a larger splash damage from a rocket, and if so, based on what?

[CoBlue]

5 hours ago, NineLine said:

Do you think that is a good target layout for 1 Mk-82? How many of those trucks do you think would be destroyed?

I'm no expert but...Yes I do, 5-6 at least +10 damaged easily with drivers ending up with lungs collapsed from bomb shockwave.

 

Another test: Driving WWII trucks, mk-82 hits just beside one of the trucks, the column happily drives on like nothing happened?? RL I imagine  3-4 trucks would be destroyed, with some drivers having their lungs collapsed & the rest heavily wounded, from bomb shockwave . @NineLineDo you think this test results are me & others imagining thins? You see nothing wrong?

 

Took me 4-5h to do the tests, write posts, sort out, shrink pics, tracks. If you think the damage model is so good, then show us a test ED? or keep things as they are & you'll never see WWII flourish in DCS. Shame on me for beta-testing I'm done with this crap, ED & you are blind to the issue & ain't listening anyway.....

 

mk82 mov trucks DAMAGE TEST 3 .trk

Edited February 2, 2021 by CoBlue

[NineLine]

8 minutes ago, CoBlue said:

with drivers ending up with lungs collapsed from bomb shockwave.

See now you are thinking outside the current DM, and as I stated, we need to bring our new DM tech to ground units. We dont have mobility kills, system kills, etc. We dont have crew injuries, etc. SO you are expecting too much out of the old DM, and even then I think you are expecting too much out of some of these weapons when you have targets spaced out quit a bit.

[razo+r]

You do have mobility kills and I think also system kills if I remember a post from an ED member correctly. 

 

With decreasing hp, mobility decreases and systems, mainly gun I guess, get increasing delay. 

 

So, fundamentals are present, just not fleshed out. 

[NineLine]

They are very basic if they are there, and only some units. 

[grafspee]

4th truck from front, bomb made just crater the size of the house, truck keep going like nothing happened.

This issue is at least since i started playing DCS. My first A-10 gbu-12 drops, i was trying to save ammo by dropping 1 bomb between 2 trucks, i ended up using 3 gbu-12 anyway, i had to direct hit to score kill.

Edited February 3, 2021 by grafspee