Want F-117A Nighthawk - high fidelity module

[Angelthunder]

4 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Why bother when the F-117 is inbound?

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Where did you hear about about a F-117 being developed by third party IndiaFoxtrotEcho because that would be interesting.But not surprised since we are getting a fully modeled first stealth fighter with the F-35 Lightning from ED.

[MAXsenna]

4 minutes ago, Angelthunder said:

Where did you hear about about a F-117 being developed by third party IndiaFoxtrotEcho because that would be interesting.But not surprised since we are getting a fully modeled first stealth fighter with the F-35 Lightning from ED.

Can't find the screenshot, but it was in another forum that shall not be named. It was confirmed that a 3rd party would do it, and the F-117 in the video was the old AI. Probably because there hasn't been much work on it yet. The logical 3rd party would be IFE, that wrote they are making an American aircraft used in a "recent", (YMMV), conflict in Europe after the Gina. It also makes very much sense, because we are also, (not completely confirmed though, even with screenshots from Venezia), getting the Balkans. I'd say both are high contenders to participate in next year's video.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

3 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Can't find the screenshot, but it was in another forum that shall not be named. It was confirmed that a 3rd party would do it, and the F-117 in the video was the old AI. Probably because there hasn't been much work on it yet. The logical 3rd party would be IFE, that wrote they are making an American aircraft used in a "recent", (YMMV), conflict in Europe after the Gina. It also makes very much sense, because we are also, (not completely confirmed though, even with screenshots from Venezia), getting the Balkans. I'd say both are high contenders to participate in next year's video.

Well, a lot of developers say they'll do this or that. It's worth holding off on expectations until they've got it in writing.

[MAXsenna]

Well, a lot of developers say they'll do this or that. It's worth holding off on expectations until they've got it in writing.

Sure! Won't see it for three or more years I suspect.

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[MiG21bisFishbedL]

2 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Sure! Won't see it for three or more years I suspect.

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It also doesn't help ED teased the 117 in the 2025 and beyond video.

At all. Give it to me!

[twistking]

2 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

It also doesn't help ED teased the 117 in the 2025 and beyond video.

At all. Give it to me!

They didn't. The way i see it, they used the "Nighthawk over Baghdad" trope to promote the Iraq map.

[MAXsenna]

They didn't. The way i see it, they used the "Nighthawk over Baghdad" trope to promote the Iraq map.

Yeah, but both? Makes sense actually.

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[Lace]

On 1/19/2025 at 12:21 AM, MAXsenna said:

Can't find the screenshot, but it was in another forum that shall not be named. It was confirmed that a 3rd party would do it, and the F-117 in the video was the old AI. Probably because there hasn't been much work on it yet. The logical 3rd party would be IFE, that wrote they are making an American aircraft used in a "recent", (YMMV), conflict in Europe after the Gina. It also makes very much sense, because we are also, (not completely confirmed though, even with screenshots from Venezia), getting the Balkans. I'd say both are high contenders to participate in next year's video.

I really want you to be right on this.  

[bies]

4 hours ago, Lace said:

I really want you to be right on this.  

Or going to Page 1; FlyingIron Simulations already made a big part of graphic/model work, elements of the avionics and they stated one time they've invested lots of money to obtain all the documentation and data needed for full fidelity F-117 simulations. Next they went silent, focused on A-7E. Not announcing "two ahead" may be their policy as well, not to let the hype boil ~2 years before the release.

I doubt they would invest so much money, resourses, manhours and then scraped it, just like that. Especially they're making modules for MSFS and X-Plane as well, which obvioulsy wouldn't give a justice or use the full potential of milatary aircraft without the military context, but they would still release it for at lest some revenue. So i expect they may release it just after the A-7E. And both machines has some things in common, speding up the work. Plus F-117 may be work on slowly already under the hood.

Edited January 20 by bies

[Pmonteiro8668]

Independently if a FF F-117 is been developed or not, that´s my dream module for DCS 

[JWizzle]

I honestly would prefer this over the F-35. Less systems to model, more simplistic RCS and fits perfectly with existing maps and aircraft.

[F-2]

I suspect it will come.

 

 

actually since they use the F-117 as an aggressor to simulate Chinese stealth jets it’s perfect for the F-35.

[sirrah]

3 hours ago, bies said:

Or going to Page 1; FlyingIron Simulations already made a big part of graphic/model work, elements of the avionics and they stated one time they've invested lots of money to obtain all the documentation and data needed for full fidelity F-117 simulations. Next they went silent, focused on A-7E. Not announcing "two ahead" may be their policy as well, not to let the hype boil ~2 years before the release.

But i doubt they would invest so much money, resourses, manhours and then scraped it, just like that. Especially they're making modules for MSFS and X-Plane as well, which obvioulsy wouldn't give a justice or use the full potential of milatary aircraft without the military context, but they would still release it for at lest some revenue. So i expect they may release it just after the A-7E. And both machines has some things in common, speding up the work. Plus F-117 may be work on slowly already under the hood.

[MAXsenna]

Okay let's play. Let's say Flying Iron Simulations is the 3rd party developing the F-117. Which does make sense to me, when I read the post above. More than IFE in some ways.
What could be the aircraft IFE is developing then? What American aircraft have been used in recent conflicts in Europe, that are not in the SIM or planned already?
Conflicts from the top of my mind are The Balkans and Ukraine. And the only aircraft I can think of besides the F-117 would be the F-16A, (and could make sense because it is in use by Italy), and the B-2, which I highly doubt.

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[upyr1]

16 hours ago, bies said:

Or going to Page 1; FlyingIron Simulations already made a big part of graphic/model work, elements of the avionics and they stated one time they've invested lots of money to obtain all the documentation and data needed for full fidelity F-117 simulations. Next they went silent, focused on A-7E. Not announcing "two ahead" may be their policy as well, not to let the hype boil ~2 years before the release.

I doubt they would invest so much money, resourses, manhours and then scraped it, just like that. Especially they're making modules for MSFS and X-Plane as well, which obvioulsy wouldn't give a justice or use the full potential of milatary aircraft without the military context, but they would still release it for at lest some revenue. So i expect they may release it just after the A-7E. And both machines has some things in common, speding up the work. Plus F-117 may be work on slowly already under the hood.

Knowing the F-117's history I would find it almost funny if they were working on both 

[smoking_ace420]

I could never imagine this secret weapon becoming declassified even 10 years ago.

[CarbonFox]

It would be cool to relive Microprose F-117 on DCS so crossing my fingers we might see a flyable Nighthawk in the future. Not just an AI asset.

[Fitzcarraldo]

I wouldn't mind the limited bomb load, but i do wonder if the mission profile can stay interesting for more than a few sorties.
It's one of my favorite aircraft, but im not sure if i would be interested in a DCS module of it.

Were there different mission profiles envisioned during development? I've read that A2A capabilities were on the table at one point, but that obviously did not happen...
How else could the aircraft be plausibly used other than high-flying, pre-planned deep strike...

Edited January 28 by Fitzcarraldo

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

22 hours ago, Fitzcarraldo said:

I wouldn't mind the limited bomb load, but i do wonder if the mission profile can stay interesting for more than a few sorties.
It's one of my favorite aircraft, but im not sure if i would be interested in a DCS module of it.

Were there different mission profiles envisioned during development? I've read that A2A capabilities were on the table at one point, but that obviously did not happen...
How else could the aircraft be plausibly used other than high-flying, pre-planned deep strike...

I hear you on that. I suppose that's a concern for the consumer for sure.

So, for the A2A mission, supposedly the F-117 (according to certain pilots) was planned to carry heaters at one point, though it never did. And, other F-117 experts (See also: maintainers, pilots, and designers) counter this claim, too.

It's hard to say in certain terms but I'd lean more heavily toward it not being the case. Even if it were, the -117s never deployed with them or even trained with them as far as I can tell.

Edited January 29 by MiG21bisFishbedL

[bies]

On 1/19/2025 at 1:11 AM, Angelthunder said:

Where did you hear about about a F-117 being developed by third party IndiaFoxtrotEcho because that would be interesting.

Go the first page.

[F-2]

https://www.twz.com/34169/no-the-f-117-never-had-air-to-air-capability-but-one-did-get-a-radar
 

one of them was trialed with the B-1 radar for Sparrow comparability.

 

I wonder if AIM-9 or its dummy round is used on the post retirement F-117. It would be great to use it as an *aggressor* against the F-35.

[Mars Exulte]

On 1/18/2025 at 10:28 AM, bies said:

I stand corrected

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

On 1/29/2025 at 6:56 PM, F-2 said:

https://www.twz.com/34169/no-the-f-117-never-had-air-to-air-capability-but-one-did-get-a-radar
 

one of them was trialed with the B-1 radar for Sparrow comparability.

 

I wonder if AIM-9 or its dummy round is used on the post retirement F-117. It would be great to use it as an *aggressor* against the F-35.

There's some back and forth on it.  It's clear it was never a practical addition to the 117's repertoire. The real question is if it could interface with AIM-9s. We've had a lot of pilots say it couldn't, some say it could, but at gut level for DCS? One would be silly to expect it in a prospective module release. It's at a point where whether or not the Nighthawk was able to use them is irrelevant since the USAF clearly preferred to use them for something else. I'm leaning more to the camp that say it didn't simply because those involved in its development say so.

There was the concept of the A/F-117X, but that exists on the drawing board only.

All that said, careful reading Rogoway's stuff. He can be a hack.