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[Eisprinzessin]

can anyone confirm that compsite is a frameloss for now with the Pimax?

Edited November 1, 2022 by Eisprinzessin

[Thanatos31]

Quick question: 

 

does anyone have experience when going from a G2 reverb to a pimax 8kx when trying to use Openxr? 
 

the reverb works with openxr ; when I try to switch to the 8kx - I only get a “black screen” both on the desktop mirror as well as in the headset. (Pimax open zur toolkit is installed) 
 

am I missing a step like deleting something or resetting? 

[GPatricks]

56 minutes ago, Thanatos31 said:

Quick question: 

Does anyone have experience when going from a G2 reverb to a pimax 8kx when trying to use Openxr? 
the reverb works with openxr ; when I try to switch to the 8kx - I only get a “black screen” both on the desktop mirror as well as in the headset. (Pimax open zur toolkit is installed) 
am I missing a step like deleting something or resetting? 

I would suggest looking/asking on the OpenXR Discord here, mbucchia is very responsive, bet it's been asked before...

[Eisprinzessin]

I deleted Open XR after switching from G2 to 8kx.

Best results in my actual configuraten:

Runtime PimaxXR
Settings in PI-Tool all standard
Stettings in Steam VR standard

Edited November 2, 2022 by Eisprinzessin

[Ganesh]

Here are the experiences on my attempts so far: G2 10900k 64GB 3090ti

* OXR @60Hz -> NO! Too much flicker for my brain, no sunglasses helps. But everything else would be perfect!

* OXR w/o repro -> terribly jerky terrain only at sideview, but all good straight forward as well as on moving objects.

* OXR with Repro -> stable terrain at all view aspects, but ghosting & artifacts on moving objects. Wobbling optics when flying through clouds and on some MFD screens.

* SVR w/o Repro -> Bad visuals. Dull and pale overall appearance (like back then without reshade) more aliasing. Everything else is perfect, no stutters, artifacts or ghosting whether on the ground or in the air (moving objects).

* SVR with Repro -> Same as above

So i stay on OXR with MRP and live with the artifacts. It seems like the best compromise. But in case anyone has an explanation/solution for this? Bring it on

I might try SVR again with a reshader, but 5-10 FPS loss on SVR will remain, at least for now.
 

Edited November 3, 2022 by Ganesh
forget: more aliasing on SVR

[Hive]

3 minutes ago, Ganesh said:

So i stay on OXR with MRP and live with the artifacts. It seems like the best compromise.

Same.

[Baldrick33]

13 minutes ago, Ganesh said:

So i stay on OXR with MRP and live with the artifacts. It seems like the best compromise.
 

and the same here too!

[noxyd]

11 hours ago, Ganesh said:

So i stay on OXR with MRP and live with the artifacts.
 

Same (3080Ti / 13600K / 32GB)

[mbucchia]

There are some upcoming changes to the Motion Reprojection algorithm in the WMR OpenXR runtime that will help reduce artifacts. No release date unfortunately since the end of the year is always very busy with the holidays.

[edmuss]

Update to openxr toolkit, not tested all functionality yet as I'm working away from home.

New experimental turbo mode has been added, this can increase performance in certain circumstances. I've seen up to 15fps increase at times. Only works without reprojection.

Also CAS sharpening so you don't need to enable FSR to sharpen.

https://mbucchia.github.io/OpenXR-Toolkit/

 

[mbucchia]

9 minutes ago, edmuss said:

Update to openxr toolkit, not tested all functionality yet as I'm working away from home.

New experimental turbo mode has been added, this can increase performance in certain circumstances. I've seen up to 15fps increase at times. Only works without reprojection.

Also CAS sharpening so you don't need to enable FSR to sharpen.

https://mbucchia.github.io/OpenXR-Toolkit/

 

Thank you @edmuss for bringing to my attention your framerate issue and sharing the necessary logs and traces, which led to the design of the Turbo mode. Hopefully others also see the benefits.

[Wali763]

Since Im experiencing some brief freezes (<1s with partly black screens)  since 2.8 I "restested" SVR again. For me its still far worse than OpenXR. With the same settings, OpenXR looks IMO a bit better (less aliasing) but offers much more fps.

But - I assume - this could be due to using an AMD-GPU (6800XT) in my system. It seems AMD-Gpus dont get utilized fully when using MR/Repro. In fpsVR I always had only ~70% GPU-utilization with Repro on.

For me the best mode is OpenXR with Repro off and RadeonChill capping fps to 47fps. This way the image looks reasonably smooth, but I do get ghosting with objects that move fast like a passing aircraft or objects when flying over them.

But thats acceptable for me. 

When testing SVR I did not have those new 2.8 freezes. Testing OpenXR after that did show no freezes for a few minutes. But at the first freeze DCS overall crashed. Need to restest this though more thorougly.

In short: OpenXR for me still is the best compromise for VR in DCS.

If you decide on a GPU for DCS Id prefer Nvidia. Its just a personal thing, that I do not want to use Nvidia and since there is only one real alternative right now...

2.8 for me right now is causing problems. I will have to watch  this and maybe have to revert to 2.7.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Wali763

[edmuss]

43 minutes ago, mbucchia said:

Thank you @edmuss for bringing to my attention your framerate issue and sharing the necessary logs and traces, which led to the design of the Turbo mode. Hopefully others also see the benefits.

Thanks for fixing the problem within 24 hours

[A.F.]

vor einer Stunde schrieb edmuss:

 

Also CAS sharpening so you don't need to enable FSR to sharpen.

https://mbucchia.github.io/OpenXR-Toolkit/

 

What is this CAS sharpening?

[GPatricks]

1 hour ago, mbucchia said:

Thank you @edmuss for bringing to my attention your framerate issue and sharing the necessary logs and traces, which led to the design of the Turbo mode. Hopefully others also see the benefits.

Thank you again for all the work you do for us! One thing you may want to address as it can be confusing for the already confused - the note in the install procedure reads "Note: You do not need to install the previous version of OpenXR Toolkit if you had one installed. The new version will overwrite the previous one." I think you meant You do not need to uninstall the previous version of OpenXR Toolkit if you had one installed.. 

[edmuss]

2 hours ago, A.F. said:

What is this CAS sharpening?

It's an alternative method of sharpening to the one applied by FSR, it's still an AMD tech.

https://gpuopen.com/fidelityfx-cas/

[Mr_sukebe]

Still rocking with OpenXR, but have questions about upscaling, using either NIS or FSR.

With either upscaling method, I’m seeing the following:

- on the Gulf map, since 2.8, the water has weird boxes in it?  No issues with the land or clouds

- on  the channel map, I went out last night for a nighttime flight, with moonlight and clouds.  With upscaling, cloud that were close in, had massive banding of colours.  Upscaling off, and it was mostly gone

 

i appreciate this is NOT an OpenXR issue, just curious if anyone else had experiences the same.

I have opened a thread about the Gulf map water, including a video 

Edited November 3, 2022 by Mr_sukebe

[slughead]

@mbucchiaI noticed an update for OpenXR Tools for Windows Mixed Reality on the MS Store today (112.2211.2002.0) but no mention of this build on github. Do you have a release note for this build / details of changes please?

[zildac]

2 hours ago, slughead said:

@mbucchiaI noticed an update for OpenXR Tools for Windows Mixed Reality on the MS Store today (112.2211.2002.0) but no mention of this build on github. Do you have a release note for this build / details of changes please?

Perhaps I have misunderstood, but Open XR Toolkit update was released today https://mbucchia.github.io/OpenXR-Toolkit/

This is not the same as OpenXR Tools for WMR on the store however. They do two diferent jobs...

 

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Edited November 3, 2022 by zildac

[slughead]

3 minutes ago, zildac said:

Perhaps I have misunderstood, but Open XR Toolkit update was released today, this is not Windows Mixed Reality however.

Was available to me via the Microsoft Store Updater today.

Edited November 3, 2022 by slughead

[zildac]

Just now, slughead said:

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But the Github repo is for Open XR Toolkit, it's not the same thing.

[slughead]

Just now, zildac said:

But the Github repo is for Open XR Toolkit, it's not the same thing.

They both use github. Different projects.

[Hunter Joker]

So must be update even the OpenXR Tools from Microsoft Store or not? I believe yes...

 

[zildac]

3 minutes ago, slughead said:

They both use github. Different projects.

My apologies, I never even knew that page existed when I had my G2 just used the store. Also, the new OXRTK was released today, so added to my confusion

Edited November 3, 2022 by zildac

[slughead]

9 minutes ago, zildac said:

My apologies, I never even knew that page existed when I had my G2. Also, the new OXRTK was released today, so added to my confusion

No apology necessary. 

11 minutes ago, Hunter Joker said:

So must be update even the OpenXR Tools from Microsoft Store or not? I believe yes...

 

Yes, you should regularly check for updates for this too. It's the first sticky post in the VR Bugs section of this forum.

Edited November 3, 2022 by slughead