Su-17

[303_Kermit]

can't wait to see it IN DCS!

[Mikep821]

On 6/30/2022 at 1:35 PM, Badger1-1 said:

Ah yes: пуск must be the lights...

Апо - I think 

[Mikep821]

On 9/24/2023 at 8:25 PM, Silver_Dragon said:

Someone can identified the specific cockpit version of that Su-17/22?

It is written on down left corner

[Mikep821]

On 6/30/2022 at 2:21 PM, Gierasimov said:

Really, learning the cockpit in Cyrillic is not as bad as it sounds. 

I am all in for EN cockpit option though for people who can't do that. People can have different capacity of learning as well. 

I am with draconus on this one, Soviet jet, Soviet tech, let it be in original language as designed and produced. 

As I said, Hind has got the EN cockpit option, people can use it if they want, it does not bother me, coz on my PC, in my DCS World all is set to what I want...

Where I serve, we got Mi-17 in English in real life, we did have them in Russian, we did have Su-22 in our language. I mean you get what you pay for, even from Russia, if you buying some jets they gladly give them to you in English if you pay them for that. As one instructor said, if you want that jet to suck your D, it will, it’s just about money 

[Badger1-1]

8 hours ago, Mikep821 said:

Апо - I think 

You didn’t get the joke

[Polish sukhoi]

If anyone can put me thru to the devs, i have Access to Su17M4, i can photograph any component from any angle if it helps.

And i do mean any, i can open any Access port, any door on the aircraft.

Contact me on discord: thief0926

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Polish sukhoi

[pepin1234]

@Plexus hi. Any news about the next module please?

Edited October 25, 2023 by pepin1234

[SOLIDKREATE]

On 10/18/2023 at 1:46 PM, Polish sukhoi said:

If anyone can put me thru to the devs, i have Access to Su17M4, i can photograph any component from any angle if it helps.

And i do mean any, i can open any Access port, any door on the aircraft.

Contact me on discord: thief0926

 

 

 

@Wags

[spikef22]

Really hope this becomes a thing probably my most anticipated redfor module 

[zerO_crash]

On 10/18/2023 at 10:46 PM, Polish sukhoi said:

If anyone can put me thru to the devs, i have Access to Su17M4, i can photograph any component from any angle if it helps.

And i do mean any, i can open any Access port, any door on the aircraft.

Contact me on discord: thief0926

 

 

 

@Plexus Might come in handy, though I expect your team to already have access to whatever you need!

 

@Polish sukhoi Would you mind taking some good pictures of the airframe from multiple angles around, with close-ups of "important" components, and also the engine (as per the above picture) and upload them for download?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

zerO

Edited December 3, 2023 by zerO_crash

[spikef22]

So any of y'all see the upgraded KH-29T in the newsletter? It's got my mind running since the Su-25T doesn't even use that weapon properly. I wonder what other aircraft uses the Kh-29T...

[WinterH]

47 minutes ago, spikef22 said:

So any of y'all see the upgraded KH-29T in the newsletter? It's got my mind running since the Su-25T doesn't even use that weapon properly. I wonder what other aircraft uses the Kh-29T...

Yeah that's some weapons grade speculation and wishful thinking

Su-17M4 is the thing I want to see happening in DCS perhaps the most. Few other things I want as much. But that doesn't mean we should start reading into things way more than reasonable imo  I'd be happy to be wrong here though...

Edited December 3, 2023 by WinterH
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[YoYo]

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[Harlikwin]

On 12/3/2023 at 7:25 AM, WinterH said:

Yeah that's some weapons grade speculation and wishful thinking

Su-17M4 is the thing I want to see happening in DCS perhaps the most. Few other things I want as much. But that doesn't mean we should start reading into things way more than reasonable imo  I'd be happy to be wrong here though...

 

We need more weapons grade speculation when it comes to the Su-17M4...

And he wasn't the only person to think about that, I mean ED has said for years that they don't wanna spend any more resources on FC3 than they have to, so they aren't remaking it for outdated FC3 jets IMO.

Which opens up "weapons grade" speculation. 

The jets that did use it are the Su-17, and Mig27, later 25's, as well as later, multirole mig29's. Thats the short list at least. Frankly I'd be ecstatic if it was the Su-17, and since its out of service in the USSR and has been "for a while" it might be doable for ED (maybe even as a test case), though personally I think they have their heart set on the 29, and the 9.12 didn't carry KH-29's but later multirole 29's did i.e. 9.15.

Mig29M i.e. the 9.15

The aircraft external stores can carry the RVV-AE, R-27ER1, R-27ET1, R-27R1, R-27T1, R-73E air-to-air missiles, the Kh-29T, Kh-29L, Kh-31A, Kh-31P, Kh-35E air-to-surface missiles, the KAB-500KR (OD), KAB-500L guided bombs, as well as rockets and free-fall bombs. Besides, the aircraft have the GSh-301 built-in gun. 

The Naval Mig29K I think could also carry the 29T, for some versions at least.

So ED "might" be pushing for a mig29. Though if this is the case I hope to christ they also do an older 9.12 version since its vastly more relevant.

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by Harlikwin

[WinterH]

If we get a 29, I'm sure it'll be a 9.12, that's what they said back when they hinted at the idea the first too. I remain unconvinced Kh-29T rework is anything beyond sim assets maintenance at this point, but again, hopefully I'm wrong. Again Su-17M4 is sharing the spot with F-4E in being the thing I'd be most anticipating to see and enjoy using in DCS. If not that, Su-22M4 isn't that far off either, but if possible would prefer the 17.

I would really not expect any MiG-29 beyond 80s to be honest. But it would be cool indeed if we could get one that is somewhat multirole, but I'd understand the argument against it too, in favor of an older one, if getting a later one would mean it being at the expense of one that is representative of more ubiquitious variants all over the world.

I'd love to get a MiG-27K someday, but not sure if it is super likely. They would complement each other well with Su-17M4, each having different pros-cons.

Anyway, I'm actually kinda happy to speculate about Su-17/22M4 though  

• Su-25 but even faster
• Lots of boom and dakka
• Janky-advanced 80s coolness
• Cold-War Soviet stuff
• Quite a bit of options for SEAD, not only that, full fidelity Red-SEAD

What's not to like!

I truly hope Octopus-G will give us this bird after (also anticipated by me) La-7. On one hand I like them as a 3rd party warbird provider, and I love warbirds in DCS, and I have more Soviet birds or potential rivals I'd like to see from them, on the hand... Su-17M4... and Octo-G is one of my favorite devs personally tbh.

[draconus]

12 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

Mig29M i.e. the 9.15

The aircraft external stores can carry the RVV-AE, R-27ER1, R-27ET1, R-27R1, R-27T1, R-73E air-to-air missiles...

and R-60?

[Volator]

22 hours ago, WinterH said:

I would really not expect any MiG-29 beyond 80s to be honest.

...which would be perfectly fine

[Harlikwin]

On 12/5/2023 at 12:45 AM, draconus said:

and R-60?

Probably, I just copied that from somewhere.

 

[Harlikwin]

On 12/4/2023 at 12:35 PM, WinterH said:

If we get a 29, I'm sure it'll be a 9.12, that's what they said back when they hinted at the idea the first too. I remain unconvinced Kh-29T rework is anything beyond sim assets maintenance at this point, but again, hopefully I'm wrong. Again Su-17M4 is sharing the spot with F-4E in being the thing I'd be most anticipating to see and enjoy using in DCS. If not that, Su-22M4 isn't that far off either, but if possible would prefer the 17.

I would really not expect any MiG-29 beyond 80s to be honest. But it would be cool indeed if we could get one that is somewhat multirole, but I'd understand the argument against it too, in favor of an older one, if getting a later one would mean it being at the expense of one that is representative of more ubiquitious variants all over the world.

I'd love to get a MiG-27K someday, but not sure if it is super likely. They would complement each other well with Su-17M4, each having different pros-cons.

Anyway, I'm actually kinda happy to speculate about Su-17/22M4 though  

• Su-25 but even faster
• Lots of boom and dakka
• Janky-advanced 80s coolness
• Cold-War Soviet stuff
• Quite a bit of options for SEAD, not only that, full fidelity Red-SEAD

What's not to like!

I truly hope Octopus-G will give us this bird after (also anticipated by me) La-7. On one hand I like them as a 3rd party warbird provider, and I love warbirds in DCS, and I have more Soviet birds or potential rivals I'd like to see from them, on the hand... Su-17M4... and Octo-G is one of my favorite devs personally tbh.

Yeah, the red-SEAD stuff will probably one of the harder things to do/get right. Though AFAIK there are docs on it. 

[Dr_Pavelheer]

Several former operators of Su-22M4 are in NATO now, I don't think access to data would be an issue at least as far as Kh-25MP goes. Kh-58 is a different matter, though I've yet to see any indications that its employment is vastly different from switchology point of view but I might be mistaken.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Dr_Pavelheer

[Harlikwin]

On 12/7/2023 at 10:13 AM, Dr_Pavelheer said:

Several former operators of Su-22M4 are in NATO now, I don't think access to data would be an issue at least as far as Kh-25MP goes. Kh-58 is a different matter, though I've yet to see any indications that its employment is vastly different from switchology point of view but I might be mistaken.

 

Ah yes, the famous sukhoi runes. 

 

[Avimimus]

On 12/4/2023 at 7:35 PM, WinterH said:

I'd love to get a MiG-27K someday, but not sure if it is super likely.

If the Mig-23ML sells well enough, then maybe...? They do share some systems in common, so it might also have somewhat faster/cheaper development.

[WinterH]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

If the Mig-23ML sells well enough, then maybe...? They do share some systems in common, so it might also have somewhat faster/cheaper development.

I'm sure MiG-23MLA will sell pretty well. Seems like there are lots of people who want more Cold War aircraft, or more red-birds, or some others specifically want both red and cold war birds, and it fits the bill for all of them. I'd count myself in all 3 of those groups too tbh.

However, I feel like differences between MiG-27K and 23MLA are more than what they share. I remember some years ago Overstratos saying something like 27K being specifically difficult to get all docs about, but it could be made with educated guesses where docs aren't available. Not entirely sure how I feel about that, but tbh pretty much all modules have some of that in, and looks like that's the only way we'll get more red birds. Also I think unlike MiG-27M, K wasn't exported much, if at all, outside of Soviet Union. What makes K unique and interesting in addition to a Su-17M4 is Kaira tv sight+laser designator, kind of like an older Shkval, and M doesn't have that afaik.

Su-17M4 and MiG-27K would complement each other so nicely in DCS though... one can dream

[Dragon1-1]

On 10/18/2023 at 10:46 PM, Polish sukhoi said:

If anyone can put me thru to the devs, i have Access to Su17M4, i can photograph any component from any angle if it helps.

Just FYI, OctopusG appears to be a very small Russian shop, and the dev (yes, singular) doesn't speak English at all. Which is also why the I-16 doesn't have an English cockpit. I'm not sure if that's still true, but I haven't seen him on the English forum. You'd probably have better luck talking on the Russian forum.

[Polish sukhoi]

On 9/30/2023 at 6:26 PM, foxbat155 said:

Su-17/22M4 was fully multitasking variant, there is no specified versions like M4R or M4P, aircrafts were wired for all equipment, only depending on tasks, pod with recce or SEAD equipment can be hang under fuselage or wings and some panels inside cockpit need to be changed.

Here we go, photo of Soviet and East German aircrafts with KKR pod, under front part of fuselage you can see (red arrow) antennas which were used for programming SEAD missile's guindance head before launch. Of course aircraft cannot use KKR pod and SEAD pod at the same time.

 

Su-17M4 from first serial aircraft was able use TV guided weapon and had TV monitor fiited in the cockpit, export Su-22M4 had simmilar capability from 30th production series, before that in place of monitor was mounted a dummy panel.

Warsaw Pact countries were training nuclear attack very often with use of IAB-500 imitation bomb. 17/22M4 never carried RN-24 nuke, only RN-28 on the beginning and after her withdrawn from use in mid 80's there were RN-40 and RN-42. Every Su-22M4 was able drop a nuclear bomb, place of service wasn't important, aircraft had weapon computer with several modes, toss mode can be used for any type of free fall bombs not only nuclear one, everything what is needed is a input of ballistic values into computer memory. Only special type of equipment required for A bomb were special "nuclear" BD3-56FHM pylons, rest of weapon system is standard for all types of bombs.

There were modifications that were needed to carry special equipment

For example only some of Polands su22 were modified for the KKR reccce pod 

Also only one or two were avle to carry nukes