requested Option to remove the MMA derotation mount if not carrying FCR

[NeedzWD40]

I'm all but certain that this has already been thought of and is on the radar, but I'll bring it up anyways: will we get the option to remove the FCR from the aircraft? I'm assuming it will be a check option like the F-14A/B's LAU-138 rails, so mission creators can remove the FCR from a particular aircraft/slot. In addition, some aircraft retain the de-rotation collar while others remove it entirely, so I would also request an additional option to add/remove that little part as well.

 

D-NR/WO, no de-rotation collar:

 

D-NR/WO, with de-rotation collar:

 

[joelsi]

+1 for this feature if ED decides to add the FCR to the Apache

[Northstar98]

IIRC they said that the FCR is still a hope-to, and won't be available at EA, so yeah, it makes sense to be able to remove it (and improve aircraft performance) if we can't use it (at least initially).

[LooseSeal]

On 1/16/2021 at 1:17 PM, Northstar98 said:

IIRC they said that the FCR is still a hope-to, and won't be available at EA, so yeah, it makes sense to be able to remove it (and improve aircraft performance) if we can't use it (at least initially).

 

Any idea where they said that!? Would be a bit of an own goal given they showed us an Apache with an FCR in the reveal video. I find it very hard to believe it's only a "hope to".

[BIGNEWY]

Hi

 

the FCR is certainly planned, but unknown if it will be available at EA release

 

thanks

[Northstar98]

1 hour ago, LooseSeal said:

 

Any idea where they said that!? Would be a bit of an own goal given they showed us an Apache with an FCR in the reveal video. I find it very hard to believe it's only a "hope to".

 

I got it from here

 

21 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi

 

the FCR is certainly planned, but unknown if it will be available at EA release

 

thanks

 

That's good to hear!

[veenee]

We will need at least a solid confirmation that radar is coming before pre-sale starts, unless there will be a refund option in case FCR does not materialize.

[Stratos]

What FCR means?

[bies]

2 hours ago, Stratos said:

What FCR means?

Fire Control Radar

[Mars Exulte]

9 hours ago, veenee said:

We will need at least a solid confirmation that radar is coming before pre-sale starts, unless there will be a refund option in case FCR does not materialize.

 

 They have said all along they were going to do it, but might not be available at initial release. And again, JUST TWO POSTS ABOVE, they repeated that.

 

 And... no. It'll have a feature list of current/planned items, just like every other module. You buy it or don't.

 

@Stratos

The big dome on top of the rotors, ie radar (for target location and an alternate guidance option for Hellfire agms)

Edited January 20, 2021 by zhukov032186

[VTJS17_Fire]

+1 for this option

[Stratos]

Thanks for clarification, hope we see the option to fly with the radar removed in the 3D model.

[veenee]

10 hours ago, zhukov032186 said:

 

  And... no. It'll have a feature list of current/planned items, just like every other module. You buy it or don't.

 

 

 

 

It is 'don't' for me then.

[Lurker]

I don't pre-order. With DCS the only modules I buy into at Early Access are the ones I know I will like even if they are missing features. That's kind of my go-to rule with regards to anything DCS related. Will I enjoy flying and learning this new thing, even if it turns out buggy and is missing some features it might never get? If the answer is yes, I buy it in Early Access. 

 

In this way I know exactly what I'm getting (remember I don't pre-order, I buy at early access at the earliest) and I have no expectations about what is coming down the road. If they add more features, than that is simply a bonus on something I will already enjoy. 

 

If you follow this simple rule, I guarantee that you will never experience buyer's remorse and will enjoy DCS World and all the modules you do buy, a whole lot more. 

Edited January 21, 2021 by Lurker

[Bedouin]

1 hour ago, Lurker said:

I don't pre-order. With DCS the only modules I buy into at Early Access are the ones I know I will like even if they are missing features. That's kind of my go-to rule with regards to anything DCS related. Will I enjoy flying and learning this new thing, even if it turns out buggy and is missing some features it might never get? If the answer is yes, I buy it in Early Access. 

 

In this way I know exactly what I'm getting (remember I don't pre-order, I buy at early access at the earliest) and I have no expectations about what is coming down the road. If they add more features, than that is simply a bonus on something I will already enjoy. 

 

If you follow this simple rule, I guarantee that you will never experience buyer's remorse and will enjoy DCS World and all the modules you do buy, a whole lot more. 

 

 

I haven't felt any buyers remorse with DCS so far, and i have bought really a lot of modules... Yes they can't be buggy and flawed at start, but the community has no patience so its their way to ease the community trigger finger, and concerning Pre-order I always does it, to help the developers earn the cash they deserve and and need to continue giving me these wonderful products, and normally there is always a discount with the pre-order, and I know I will order the product some day anyway.

[veenee]

1 hour ago, Lurker said:

I don't pre-order. With DCS the only modules I buy into at Early Access are the ones I know I will like even if they are missing features. That's kind of my go-to rule with regards to anything DCS related. Will I enjoy flying and learning this new thing, even if it turns out buggy and is missing some features it might never get? If the answer is yes, I buy it in Early Access. 

 

In this way I know exactly what I'm getting (remember I don't pre-order, I buy at early access at the earliest) and I have no expectations about what is coming down the road. If they add more features, than that is simply a bonus on something I will already enjoy. 

 

If you follow this simple rule, I guarantee that you will never experience buyer's remorse and will enjoy DCS World and all the modules you do buy, a whole lot more. 

 

 

I fully agree about pre-order, I personally go a bit further, after the lessons I've learned in the past - I don't buy ED's EA modules at all.

So - no risk for me buying something which doesn't at the end turn out exactly as 'planned'.

 

I still think, however, that ED should be very clear about what we are and we aren't going to get.

They are sure about many things to be inlcuded, if they are not about others, it should be stated clearly, so there is no doubt whatsoever.

 

Surely it isn't strange for customers to expect no less than that?

[Lurker]

Well with Eagle Dynamics and DCS World the only real rule is "Everything is Subject to Change". So with that rule in mind there is no real reason to pre-order, unless you want to support the further development of DCS World. 

 

As for pricing, so far pricing for pre-ordering modules usually extends for a period of time into Early Access. At least this has been the practice so far. So there really is no real incentive to pre-order, just wait until the module hits early access and assess whether you want to fly it at that point based on the features it already has. 

[bies]

+1

FCR removal will be a good addition, Apache is more maneuverable without it so if some mission doesn't require anti-armor removing radar can be beneficial.

 

But I'm most excited for anti-armor missions, Apache's primary design role.

[Mars Exulte]

3 hours ago, veenee said:

I still think, however, that ED should be very clear about what we are and we aren't going to get.

 

 Thus the aforementioned ''features list'' present on every module... When it becomes available for pre-order, it will SAY what is available at initial release and what is planned when it's finished.

 

 There's no need fussing over it now, when it's available there will be a list provided... just like every other time.

[Northstar98]

2 hours ago, zhukov032186 said:

 

 Thus the aforementioned ''features list'' present on every module... When it becomes available for pre-order, it will SAY what is available at initial release and what is planned when it's finished.

 

 There's no need fussing over it now, when it's available there will be a list provided... just like every other time.

 

Yes, though the one thing is these planned lists are always subject to change, and recently, for the Hornet, some weapons that are still on the planned list, didn't make into the 2020/2021 roadmap, which caused a bit of worry in one F/A-18C thread, which was then marked "not promised" and "subject to change".

 

Sure it's not much - hardly anything really, but even with the lists it can still leave some doubt, even a couple of years down the line. One of the reasons why I bought the Hornet in particular was because it was planned to get these weapons that are now in a bit of a hazy situation.

 

If the lists were made so that we could have a list of definitely confirmed stuff and 'hope to' stuff that would be good. Of course unforeseen circumstances can cause things to drop off like the BS3's expanded features, but still. 

Edited January 21, 2021 by Northstar98

[unknown]

2 hours ago, zhukov032186 said:

 

 Thus the aforementioned ''features list'' present on every module... When it becomes available for pre-order, it will SAY what is available at initial release and what is planned when it's finished.

 

 There's no need fussing over it now, when it's available there will be a list provided... just like every other time.

The first list for the F-16 had Harpoons and something esle i forgot on it. These got removed from said list, granted all before pre-order started but still: "Everything is Subject to Change". So a "definitive list" before pre-order start IN february(DCS news letter) would be nice.

[Northstar98]

35 minutes ago, unknown said:

The first list for the F-16 had Harpoons and something esle i forgot on it. These got removed from said list, granted all before pre-order started but still: "Everything is Subject to Change". So a "definitive list" before pre-order start IN february(DCS news letter) would be nice.

 

Exactly, personally it would be better to separate the definitive yes, this is coming; and then a planned/hope to list.

[veenee]

51 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

 

Exactly, personally it would be better to separate the definitive yes, this is coming; and then a planned/hope to list.

yep, that would be great especially when it's not about some exotic setups or weapons but very core of the module, which FCR for the Longbow certainly is.

Edited January 21, 2021 by veenee

[BIGNEWY]

6 hours ago, veenee said:

 

I fully agree about pre-order, I personally go a bit further, after the lessons I've learned in the past - I don't buy ED's EA modules at all.

So - no risk for me buying something which doesn't at the end turn out exactly as 'planned'.

 

I still think, however, that ED should be very clear about what we are and we aren't going to get.

They are sure about many things to be inlcuded, if they are not about others, it should be stated clearly, so there is no doubt whatsoever.

 

Surely it isn't strange for customers to expect no less than that?

 

We will give you information to make a choice about pre-order when we list it. If you feel it isn't enough, you should wait. 

 

thanks

[veenee]

And I will.

 

thanks