Full Screen select problem

[Livers]

13 hours ago, will- said:

this isn't just a dcs issue, if you guys are selecting full screen and alt tabbing out of that, again other game will do this aswell it will break the full screen and some games will even default to windowed mode.

in DCS if you check the settings now they put a * next to full screen stating if you are no longer in full screen the only way to fix is to restart the game.

How is this the solution to the OP?

[BIGNEWY]

7 minutes ago, Livers said:

How is this the solution to the OP?

We did not set it as the solution, the OP must have. 
But it does explain this is not just a DCS issue, and he is pointing out that changing to full screen requires a restart of DCS 

[Livers]

6 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

We did not set it as the solution, the OP must have. 
But it does explain this is not just a DCS issue, and he is pointing out that changing to full screen requires a restart of DCS 

Well, I respectfully disagree - DCS was fine for a lot of users until this latest patch.

[Lace]

FWIW - another use case, when I run DCS for mission building, I just pull the VR USB cable out, DCS starts windowed 1080 on my 4k display, so I alt-enter to full screen.  This no longer works, so I've had to check the 'full screen' option in DCS, which now effects the windows (11) display resolution after quitting.

[silverdevil]

7 minutes ago, Livers said:

Well, I respectfully disagree - DCS was fine for a lot of users until this latest patch.

and it is still fine for a lot of players after this latest patch. otherwise this forum would be blowing up. one must realize that DCS like any other Windows application relies on the Windows core to run. many times a Windows application can have issues because of something "outside" of itself. i am not trying to deflect blame. just bringing up the possibility. the devs will figure it out.

[Cyborg71]

If I set the solution it was accidental.

I have reset it.

 

Edited September 23, 2022 by Cyborg71

[Cyborg71]

2 hours ago, silverdevil said:

and it is still fine for a lot of players after this latest patch. otherwise this forum would be blowing up. one must realize that DCS like any other Windows application relies on the Windows core to run. many times a Windows application can have issues because of something "outside" of itself. i am not trying to deflect blame. just bringing up the possibility. the devs will figure it out.

Absolutely agree. My intent was to establish if this is a problem in my case only. Obviously it's not.

I'm trying to understand why it looks like I'm in Fullscreen, selected options indicate Fullscreen, yet my GPU metric data is feeding back the opposite. 

What (and I've said this already) is odd is I could actively impact the workload of GPU positively from 85% plus to 60% plus/minus by pressing Alt + Ent. Something was happening when the combination was pressed, and it was beneficial.

Now the GPU sits 85-90%. Period.

The fact that others (the majority) are fine is of course primary. I am fortunate that I rarely have issues. Even then, there's often a  work around.

I think Spock or Kirk said something about the needs of the many........

I will do further tests. But I think I've tried everything obvious.

Edited September 23, 2022 by Cyborg71

[silverdevil]

44 minutes ago, Cyborg71 said:

Absolutely agree. My intent was to establish if this is a problem in my case only. Obviously it's not.

I'm trying to understand why it looks like I'm in Fullscreen, selected options indicate Fullscreen, yet my GPU metric data is feeding back the opposite. 

What (and I've said this already) is odd is I could actively impact the workload of GPU positively from 85% plus to 60% plus/minus by pressing Alt + Ent. Something was happening when the combination was pressed, and it was beneficial.

Now the GPU sits 85-90%. Period.

The fact that others (the majority) are fine is of course primary. I am fortunate that I rarely have issues. Even then, there's often a  work around.

I think Spock or Kirk said something about the needs of the many........

I will do further tests. But I think I've tried everything obvious.

i will take a test on my system as well. i do not notice anything different after patch but...

do you have a test mission you can share. apples to apples. maybe others will join the party. 

live long and prosper

[Cyborg71]

Ok. Firstly apologies if this is unhelpful to others posting here.

Those for whom the Alt+ Ent issue is still a sorely missing feature (vr mainly or multiscreen) it is probably of no use.

After 6 hrs of fiddling I resolved my individual issue.

In Nvidia control panel I set max frame rate off (had been set 60 to match monitor)

I set Vsync to ON (had been set to control by 3d application option - thinking DCS would take care of it)

All other nvidia settings are at default.

In DCS vsync is ticked, Full Screen is ticked.(my defaults anyway)

This simple change fixed performance problems in both graphic fidelity and returned my GPU load back to below 50%.

Go figure.

Thanks to all for the input. I will mark this resolved (for me) I hope others can find solutions as well.

Cheers Big Newy.

 

[Nevyn]

On 9/23/2022 at 11:41 PM, Cyborg71 said:

In DCS vsync is ticked, Full Screen is ticked.(my defaults anyway)

This simple change fixed performance problems in both graphic fidelity and returned my GPU load back to below 50%.

This doesn't solve anything for me, feels like it's still stuck in windowed mode, like you I have them on all the time, before this latest patch I used to be able to cruise over forests in a helo no problem, now I lose 10-15fps which turns it into a stutterfest, when that happened in the past it was because I had ALT-Tabbed to read the manual or pretend I was working when the wife came in and then forgot to ALT-ENTER when I went back into the sim.

[silverdevil]

3 hours ago, Nevyn said:

pretend I was working when the wife came in

LOL!! sorry.

i dont think this was offered as a solution but make sure you do not have VSYNC in game and gsync in the NCP. one has to have one or the other. note you NCP settings and reset to default.

[-0303-]

This is NOT solved.

Hitting ALT ENTER nothing happens.

This severely inconveniences how I run DCS. Having a weak machine I  run lowest possible resolution (1280x768). I toggle between windowed (inside 1920x1080) and stretching to full screen with ALT ENTER. Windowed mode gives me easy access to whatever I do outside DCS while DCs still running. Browsing, adjusting head tracking, arguing in the forums ...

For testing purposes I reverted to the Sep. 2 2022 version using:

C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin>DCS_Updater.exe update 2.7.17.29493@openbeta

I let it create a pristine DCS.openbeta folder in Saved Games just to be sure of no confusion. Later went back by just accepting "wanna update to latest?" (I had renamed my DCS.openbeta so I wouldn't lose any settings) .

Sep. 2 version works as it used to. I can toggle back and forth with ALT ENTER.

 

Edit: ALT ENTER is a Windows command. It was never a DCS command.

I also reverted to Sep. 2 to find the OPTION name for ALT ENTER in the OPTIONS screen in case the name had changed. Turns out there isn't a name (is there?). ALT ENTER is captured and reacted too whether I'm in the OPTIONS screen or "flying" screen.

Neither could I find anything searching for "Screen" in either plane mode (example P-51D Real), UI Layer or General. Just found Screenshot. If the option has a mappable name it's not accessible from the OPTIONS screen .

 

Note, whatever it means:

In both old sep. 2 version and latest version there are asterisks next to Vsync and Full Screen. Ie for both functioning old version and non functioning latest version . So the asterisks signify nothing regarding this. Though in an old screenshot from February 2019 neither have asterisks. I've never checked/enabled either.

Edited September 27, 2022 by -0303-

[silverdevil]

23 minutes ago, -0303- said:

Neither could I find anything searching for "Screen" in either plane mode (example P-51D Real), UI Layer or General. Just found Screenshot. If the option has a mappable name it's not accessible from the OPTIONS screen .

Note, whatever it means:

In both old sep. 2 version and latest version there are asterisks next to Vsync and Full Screen. Ie for both functioning old version and non functioning latest version . So it means nothing(?). Though in an old screenshot from February 2019 neither have asterisks. I've never checked/enabled either.

 

i confirmed i have asterisk next on those boxes.

i have always had full screen checked. and today when i ran DCS it seemed to open in a window and then i clicked in the DCS window. this is always what i do.

Edited September 25, 2022 by silverdevil

[Cyborg71]

9 hours ago, Nevyn said:

This doesn't solve anything for me, feels like it's still stuck in windowed mode, like you I have them on all the time, before this latest patch I used to be able to cruise over forests in a helo no problem, now I lose 10-15fps which turns it into a stutterfest, when that happened in the past it was because I had ALT-Tabbed to read the manual or pretend I was working when the wife came in and then forgot to ALT-ENTER when I went back into the sim.

I have no idea if my use of the Nvidia control panel to force vsync 'on' has any impact on fullscreen status in DCS. 

I can say that GPU usage (%) is lower. FPS is more stable  (60). It's effectively back to pre-patch for me.

The overall presentation is smooth. Occasional stutters exist. But they've always been there. Drops from 60-59 stand out blatantly to me, even if only for a fraction of a second. I may just be over sensitive to stutters. Some people just don't see them. Lucky bug***s.

1 hour ago, -0303- said:

This is NOT solved.

Hitting ALT ENTER nothing happens.

This severely inconveniences how I run DCS.

 

Oh I agree it's not solved. I found a solution for my specific issue. I would love to have that Alt + Ent feature returned. A quick key stroke is preferable to spending hours locating a work around.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Cyborg71

[Nevyn]

@Cyborg71I get the 60-59 thing as well, even before this patch, and for no reason I can understand, it's goes away as I fly then comes back all in this same session but it never really causes any problems, apart from triggering my OCD of course.

 

@-303-, I think the ALT-ENTER thing is a windoze quirk, not a DCS thing that's why you won't find a reference to it. Some apps allow you to switch from fullscreen to windowed using the keystroke. But thanks for doing all that work though, at least you cleared up a few things.  When you get to my ripe old age of you forget <profanity>, but I am sure we have had the ALT-ENTER problem happen before in a patch where it doesn't work and then the next patch it works but it has never effected me this badly.

All I know is I am not overly impressed with the latest patch, to me it's pretty terrible and I attribute it to the fact I am stuck in windowed mode as it feels exactly as it always does when I am in that mode, I hate it when I lose performance especially when you spend days tweaking it to get the best possible combo, I get so irritated, makes me want to sell all my crap and go herd sheep or train goldfish to do calculus.

[-0303-]

I'll point out that reverting to a working Sep. 2 Open Beta version and going back to non working latest version on the same machine within half an hour means it's not likely not Microsoft's fault.

Or, if they changed something, it's fixable.

 

Edited September 26, 2022 by -0303-

[Ironhand]

Just want to note that ALT-ENTER is a Windows thing not specific to DCS:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/alt-enter-switches-between-window-and-full-screen-d1b23daa-644d-3fbf-2f5e-c2c779584db5#:~:text=When you run an application,is displayed in full screen.

So, whether by accident or design, DCS no longer allows the Windows convention.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Ironhand

[-0303-]

A Windows command. Didn't know that. But the current Win 10 environment

• Windows 10 Home
• Version 21H2
• OS Build 19044.2006

does respond to ALT ENTER using the September 2 Open Beta. So the current Windows environment does not prevent ALT ENTER usage.

Edited September 27, 2022 by -0303-

[Lange_666]

It's purely DCS because ALT-Enter still works on other stuff.

[Hiob]

I wonder if the distinct mention of "console" window is relevant here. Because Alt+Enter certainly doesn't work universally with all windows applications.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Hiob

[84-Simba]

Before the update it was working.

When you try it in the console, it's working.

It is definitely a DCS problem.

...

[Loukuins]

Yeah I can agree since the last update the thing is broken lost 20-30% of my FPS and also G-Sync doesn't work anymore...

[Loukuins]

nullBIGNEWY said he reported the "issue" to the devs, let's see if they're gonna fix it...

[84-Simba]

2 minutes ago, Loukuins said:

nullBIGNEWY said he reported the "issue" to the devs, let's see if they're gonna fix it...

But he says it is not a bug.

They consider there was an issue and it is solved while some of us are saying it is not ...

[Loukuins]

Yeah, I only managed to tell them that the game is not detected by my Nvidia drivers are fullscreen and so G-Sync wasn't working and I needed to use the Windowed mode to have G-Sync working, but FPS wise I think it's okay ? I don't know for sure tho...