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I just wanted to give a little kudos where it is due, the FFB implementation on the F14 is among the best and most enjoyable in the whole simulator - I own most of the content in this platform to compare.

Can I ask a technical question please ?? How hard was it to implement the FFB elements ? was it fairly easy ? is it a case that other content has poor or zero FFB for lack of understanding or excessive difficulty ?

I hope we continue to enjoy properly implemented FFB on other modules as we move forward, thanks again.

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It is indeed outstanding and very enjoyable. I hope more affordable and convenient options for FFB joysticks come to market so more people can appreciate just how great this is.

I'll add that the WW2 aircraft and the L39 are also excellent with FFB.

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On 1/27/2023 at 3:47 AM, Phantom_Mark said:

I hope we continue to enjoy properly implemented FFB on other modules as we move forward, thanks again.

Afaik all props go to @fat creason :thumbup:

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7 hours ago, Lt_Jaeger said:

My Rhino should be soon on its way to me. I can't wait to use him on my almost exclusive ride. 

 

yep, on the list to join that joy as well, just praying we can get some more developers all into setting up these aircraft with the cool fx, if we could understand what holds them back maybe we can help to grease the wheels make that less painful ???

Maybe asking ED for some FFB UI Menu options to add FB into aircraft that don't have it natively or something is an option ?

8 hours ago, Shadok said:

I don't know what is your ffb stick, but with microsoft ffb2 I still have issues when engaging ACLS.

Honestly, and slightly ashamed, never done one lol.....

7 hours ago, AH_Solid_Snake said:

Wave goodbye to most of the AP modes, but the trim and feel is amazing.

One of my favourite fx is the bump of the wheels on the expansion gaps of the concrete as you taxi on paved surfaces, and the slight buffet you feel as you wind in the AoA, really helps you feel the edge of the envelope better IMO.


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On 1/29/2023 at 5:34 PM, AH_Solid_Snake said:

Wave goodbye to most of the AP modes, but the trim and feel is amazing.

Just did a short ride, but attitude and altitude hold worked great. Did not checked ACLS yet, since I basically don't use it, but I will for sure. 

Trim is great, and a gym subscription is not of any use any more..... At least for the right arm. 

That said, I just used the rhino for 1-2 hours now and be already in love. 

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Is there any way to adjust how FFB pushes the stick forward when you enter the cockpit?  The way my simpit is setup, this puts the stick way too far forward to use comfortable.  I understand it's meant to simulate the actual pitch throw, but I'd like to be able to put the stick where it's actually useable.

 

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Hi!

id just like to add that FFB in the Tomcat feels awesome, and thanks for the development!

I do have a question about it - once engines are shut down, on the ground, I was draining the hydraulics pressure by moving the stick all around. I was expecting a change in the feel of the stick, potentially requiring more force as the hydraulic pressure is gone. I did not feel a difference though. 
It’s more of a question, since I don’t have experience with real stick and hydraulics. Should there be a change in the force needed to move the flight surfaces?

thanks!

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I just acquired a second-hand Microsoft Sidewinder FFB2  today and it's a whole new sim as a result.  I've had a couple of flights and am astounded at how much easier it is to land smoothly for example.  I want to thank @fat creason and the team for doing such an incredible job. 

FFB signal seems to drop-out when I leave the stick centralised and untouched for a few seconds.  Is this a thing?  I'm wondering if I have a loose connection, hence why the stick was up for sale on ebay 🙄  A Windows USB power saving app I need to switch off perhaps?  Something's not right.

 


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1 hour ago, JupiterJoe said:

FFB signal seems to drop-out when I leave the stick centralised and untouched for a few seconds.  Is this a thing?

There's optical hand sensor. You could tape it over if it bothers you.

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On 6/17/2024 at 5:15 PM, draconus said:

There's optical hand sensor. You could tape it over if it bothers you.

Thanks @draconus.  That makes sense.  I guess it's there to prevent the controller from flying off your desk if you haven't got hold of it.


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That’s unusual, sounds like something might be conflicting with it. I’m still running a Sidewinder 2 while I build my VP force rig and no issues like that.

Turn off USB power saving? Windows may be trying to be “helpful”  

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Guys can you please check if you still getting the awesome FFB that you are used to in the F-14?
So I can make sure it is 100 percent my issue alone.

It used to be like this:  almost no forces standing still, but feeling bumps in the runway, FFB going light at low speeds and near stalls, FFB going strong at high speeds and turns, feeling the plane in the turns,  forces coming and going .....
Now, all I am getting, is bland centering forces on wherever I trim, and some shaking, but not the real forces I was used to and are so amazing.

Please guys, get F-14 into a stall,  and feel if centering forces fall away and the stick goes light at slow speeds ????


If so, I have a very weird FFB issue and need some way to reset it to how it was.

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27 minutes ago, Jeeve79 said:

Guys can you please check if you still getting the awesome FFB that you are used to in the F-14?
So I can make sure it is 100 percent my issue alone.

It used to be like this:  almost no forces standing still, but feeling bumps in the runway, FFB going light at low speeds and near stalls, FFB going strong at high speeds and turns, feeling the plane in the turns,  forces coming and going .....
Now, all I am getting, is bland centering forces on wherever I trim, and some shaking, but not the real forces I was used to and are so amazing.

Please guys, get F-14 into a stall,  and feel if centering forces fall away and the stick goes light at slow speeds ????


If so, I have a very weird FFB issue and need some way to reset it to how it was.

Make sure you’re not hopping from one plane to another within one DCS session , even make sure you restart the FFB device between DCS restarts. I’ve had issue similar to that when jumping from let’s say the F4 to the F14 without all those restarts. Apparently it has been a DCS issue forever

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I know about the plane hopping issue. That is not it. That kills ffb, I am getting a bland centering force on trim position, so ffb does work, just not as intended any more.
Not sure what you mean by restarting the FFB device. It's a MS Sidewinder  FF 2. 
Actually, my issue might come from unpluggin replugging the stick while it was still loading or closing something.

F-4 and P-51 ffb feels fine.

Rolled back to DCS pre phantom version, same issue, so it's not the patch,   uninstalled/reinstalled F-14 , no fix. So it's not in those files.
 Maybe it's DCS saved games config file somewhere or even windows that got confused.
The stick is fine and there is no extra software needed, I am almost at a point of totally uninstalling DCS and saved games, reinstalling with just F-14 and testing,  and then reinstalling Windows if it won't fix.

That is why I wanted to be sure you guys are still getting superb ffb in the F-14. Before I redo my entire OS and DCS.
Feels like I just need to reset something or  config file but no idea.

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Is there a way to adjust the centering force with the MS FFB2?  Even if it means opening it up.  Mine is very vague around the centre, thus making AP difficult to engage.

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That’s unusual, sounds like something might be conflicting with it. I’m still running a Sidewinder 2 while I build my VP force rig and no issues like that.
Turn off USB power saving? Windows may be trying to be “helpful”  
You probably have taped over the sensor or taken it out of the grip like me. It's to prevent it moving when your not holding your hand on the grip.

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Is there a way to adjust the centering force with the MS FFB2?  Even if it means opening it up.  Mine is very vague around the centre, thus making AP difficult to engage.
The MS SW FFB2 has a huuuuuge firmware defined deadzone in the center. That's why it's "sloppy". Very noticeable if one adds an extension. You can check it if you bring up the controls indicator or a joystick tester like Virpil's. You can then physically move the stick several millimeters while nothing happens on the PC. I believe you could change this in the old software Rustbelt mentions, and I think I read somewhere that Vista was the latest Windows version it worked on, as it required Windows 98 or Windows 2000.
Cheers!

Edit: Seems I might have found it.

https://archive.org/details/MSFF2USBDUCD


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