Gun Jam Posted April 25, 2023 Posted April 25, 2023 Im slightly concerned that it seems like Vr is now considered a nonfactor off topic discussion. They talk about advancing Vr and ive seen improvement in Vr so why would something that I consider a significant branch of DCS end up getting tossed here? It make it feel like "yeah **** it Vr isnt worth it any more lets hide it and hope it goes away" and let people know that its off topic thing now dont discuss it. 3 1
Johnny Dioxin Posted April 25, 2023 Posted April 25, 2023 I must admit I've had hard time finding it a few times when I forget where they put it. It certainly is not an "Input Device" Rig: Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS; Ryzen 7800X3D ; 64GB DDR5 5600; RTX 4080; VPC T50 CM2 HOTAS; Pimax Crystal Light I'm learning to fly - but I ain't got wings With my head in VR - it's the next best thing!
kraszus Posted April 25, 2023 Posted April 25, 2023 Ditto. Takes me a whle t find it also. Hope it's not reflective of their attitude towards VR!
Rodeo Posted April 25, 2023 Posted April 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Gun Jam said: Im slightly concerned that it seems like Vr is now considered a nonfactor off topic discussion. They talk about advancing Vr and ive seen improvement in Vr so why would something that I consider a significant branch of DCS end up getting tossed here? It make it feel like "yeah **** it Vr isnt worth it any more lets hide it and hope it goes away" and let people know that its off topic thing now dont discuss it. As VR users we kinda feel like A10Cs and their pilots... the outcast... and we should wear that badge proudly Corsair 5000D Black - i913900KS 24 core 3.2GHz - ASUS Z790 Hero DDR5 - 64GB Dominator DDR5 - iCUE H150i Liquid Cooler - QL iCUE Fans- PNY 24GB RTX4090 - 2TB 990 Pro - 2TB 980 Pro - Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS/Throttle and TRP Pedals - Cougars MFD - Total Controls MFBB - TEK AHCP - Trak Racer TR8 Pro cockpit and a frustrating Pimax 8kx Varjo Aero.... "So I commandeered the police car and was giving people rides in it for $80… I don't call it a drinking problem; I call it a 'making to much money' problem"--Jungle Recon
Gun Jam Posted April 25, 2023 Author Posted April 25, 2023 23 minutes ago, Rodeo said: As VR users we kinda feel like A10Cs and their pilots... the outcast... and we should wear that badge proudly Sure thats fine...The issue is... Im concerned about a shift in ED's attitude towards VR. They aren't going to say we are done with it but they may choose phase it out slow so VR users drop off 1 by 1 and it goes away. Now I dont know if thats what is occurring but this is a red flag that maybe indicating a shift towards that kind of attitude. The entire VR section is now stuffed in a "yeah whatever" category After the MT updates and openXr improvements I would expect VR to get a dedicated "VR" link right under "DCS WORLD 2.8" OR at least at the end of the list under "DCS World Topic" but it got this instead...Dev cost vs profit numbers are in? "off topic" is now the attitude towards VR? 1
dburne Posted April 25, 2023 Posted April 25, 2023 Yeah I found it concerning as well, ridiculous that they moved it to where it is here now. All the work they have done to help improve VR and now treating at least the VR forum like a red headed step child. DCS is a shining star for VR and I hope it stays that way. Without VR my DCS days would be over. ED jumped on the VR train relatively early and I was so glad to see them do it, just hope their commitment to it remains unchanged. I can tell already the daily activity on the VR forum has dropped off since moving it here. 3 Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero|
javelina1 Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 Holy smokes, I found the forum! WTH?! They stuck it into a hidden little corner of the site. I used to come to the DCS VR forum because of the posts, but agree, it seems like things have dropped off. 1 MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control
Kearf Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 I cannot believe this. For me its like saying HOTAS is a "nice to have", optional hardware. Flying without it, will never be the same. Wer sich nicht bewegt, spürt seine Fesseln nicht. If you don't move, you won't feel your bonds.
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 26, 2023 ED Team Posted April 26, 2023 Input devices was in the DCS core area, and this is not correct as it is hardware so was moved. I will speak to Nineline about making the VR section more visible or at least having a redirect so it can be seen easier. thanks 1 7 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
wju Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) VR is hardware, truth; regardless most of VR´s problems come from its SW implementation. On the other hand, VR capability is DCS´s the core feature for all VR pilots. Edited April 26, 2023 by wju 1 CPU AMD 9800X3D, GPU nVidia RTX 4090, 64GB RAM 6000Mhz; HP Reverb G2; VKB Ultimate stick; VIRPIL Throttle; Slaw Pedals; custom AXIS&BTN BOX based on MMJOY2
Sile Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 (edited) Please move it out of the input device section, at least. Maybe one level higher - same level as Input Devices?! Edited April 26, 2023 by Sile
Willie Nelson Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 I didn't know what all the fuss was about at first as I have always googled "DCS VR forums". Moreover, I don't think ED would dare move away from VR, clearly it is the future and uncle Sam agrees: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40620/a-10-warthog-pilots-are-using-the-digital-combat-simulator-video-game-to-train-in-vr i7700k OC to 4.8GHz with Noctua NH-U14S (fan) with AORUS RTX2080ti 11GB Waterforce. 32GDDR, Warthog HOTAS and Saitek rudders. HP Reverb.
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 26, 2023 ED Team Posted April 26, 2023 Just now, Willie Nelson said: I didn't know what all the fuss was about at first as I have always googled "DCS VR forums". Moreover, I don't think ED would dare move away from VR, clearly it is the future and uncle Sam agrees: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40620/a-10-warthog-pilots-are-using-the-digital-combat-simulator-video-game-to-train-in-vr We have no plans to move away from vr, it was just a reshuffle of hardware related threads. thanks 5 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
Rodeo Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 3 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: We have no plans to move away from vr, it was just a reshuffle of hardware related threads. thanks Thanks for the update… Corsair 5000D Black - i913900KS 24 core 3.2GHz - ASUS Z790 Hero DDR5 - 64GB Dominator DDR5 - iCUE H150i Liquid Cooler - QL iCUE Fans- PNY 24GB RTX4090 - 2TB 990 Pro - 2TB 980 Pro - Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS/Throttle and TRP Pedals - Cougars MFD - Total Controls MFBB - TEK AHCP - Trak Racer TR8 Pro cockpit and a frustrating Pimax 8kx Varjo Aero.... "So I commandeered the police car and was giving people rides in it for $80… I don't call it a drinking problem; I call it a 'making to much money' problem"--Jungle Recon
kerlcat Posted April 26, 2023 Posted April 26, 2023 7 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: Input devices was in the DCS core area, and this is not correct as it is hardware so was moved. I will speak to Nineline about making the VR section more visible or at least having a redirect so it can be seen easier. thanks Thank you for prompt response to our voice! Moving VR under somewhere, seems "technically correct" as of catalog. But VR already became part of essential experince of DCS as matter of fact. Many of us won't invest so much time without emersiveness. So pls do consider to make it more visible/accessable somewhere (better still tier 1 under DCS 2.8). So people could continue keeping it active as it should be. Thank you ED team. 2 9800X3D /5090 /64GB /SSD 2T+4T /Crystal Super(<-Quest3<-Pico4<-Rift S<-CV1) /Orion F18 /DOFReality P6
Gun Jam Posted April 27, 2023 Author Posted April 27, 2023 15 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: We have no plans to move away from vr, it was just a reshuffle of hardware related threads. thanks Nice. This is good to hear. yes Vr is hardware but as stated by others it is a core feature and does not belong in "off topic" for many there is no difference between DCS and VR. By that i mean Vr is not a mouse or keyboard or video card or monitor.... it IS DCS. Without VR there is no DCS and unlike a mouse, keyboard, or even a gpu DCS is being updated and those updates directly effect VR on a core level to the point were it won't even load unless you make sure to read whats changed and you can then implement those changes on your end... This is never the case with typical off topic hardware. Finally unlike typical hardware VR is changing very quickly so each day you visit there is a real possiblity that something new has arrived or changed (hardware or software) no other hardware has rates of change like this.
A2597 Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 Makes a lot of sense to have it under hardware next to input devices.
YoYo Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 Today I was looking were is my favorite corner! Its gone! Now I see it again but in …. Offtopic corner? Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
j9murphy Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 (edited) The proper home, IMHO, would be in... Home-> English-> Digital Combat Simulator-> DCS World 2.8-> DCS World Core Features-> VR VR is every bit the "Core Feature" that multiplayer, multi-display, voice chat, etc.. are. However, If ED wants to train the mice to find the cheese somewhere else, I'm sure we'll all learn the new maze even if it doesn't really make sense... we have to eat of course:) I guess what ED is thinking is we're not talking about VR the DCS feature, we're talking about the 3rd party hardware/software that connects us to that feature. - we're just a joystick in the stream of life:( Edited April 27, 2023 by j9murphy 2
Tepnox Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 4 hours ago, j9murphy said: The proper home, IMHO, would be in... Home-> English-> Digital Combat Simulator-> DCS World 2.8-> DCS World Core Features-> VR VR is every bit the "Core Feature" that multiplayer, multi-display, voice chat, etc.. are. However, If ED wants to train the mice to find the cheese somewhere else, I'm sure we'll all learn the new maze even if it doesn't really make sense... we have to eat of course:) I guess what ED is thinking is we're not talking about VR the DCS feature, we're talking about the 3rd party hardware/software that connects us to that feature. - we're just a joystick in the stream of life:( Core Features -> VR that would make sense. But hey, maybe VR is no core feature any more for ED. Who knows... Ryzen 7 5800X3D // 64 GB RAM // RTX 4090 // Quest Pro // Quest 3
kerlcat Posted April 27, 2023 Posted April 27, 2023 Let number talks. VR topic alone is 95.9k posts which tops every single “core feature” under 2.8. BTW seems a few core features shall be relocated as those only have 100-200posts if they were not newly added. Agree the location a few people proposed above, and VR could be changed to VR Experience. It’s not ONLY piece of HW itself, but anything related VR in DCS. Home-> English-> Digital Combat Simulator-> DCS World 2.8-> DCS World Core Features-> VR Experience. 9800X3D /5090 /64GB /SSD 2T+4T /Crystal Super(<-Quest3<-Pico4<-Rift S<-CV1) /Orion F18 /DOFReality P6
freehand Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 2 hours ago, kerlcat said: Let number talks. VR topic alone is 95.9k posts which tops every single “core feature” under 2.8. BTW seems a few core features shall be relocated as those only have 100-200posts if they were not newly added. Agree the location a few people proposed above, and VR could be changed to VR Experience. It’s not ONLY piece of HW itself, but anything related VR in DCS. Home-> English-> Digital Combat Simulator-> DCS World 2.8-> DCS World Core Features-> VR Experience. "VR topic alone is 95.9k posts" true and mostly are rinse and repeat because some want answers handed to them on a plate and look no further then there nose. That being said It would be nice if we had a VR section all on it's own so new & old VR users can jump straight in, personally have a link straight to the VR section. 2
WipeUout Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 VR not a core DCS feature anymore and it's an off topic subject? Mistake or is there a message here? Dear Ed, put a little more tought on this please ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9800X3D, RTX 4090, 96GB DDR 5, MSI Tomahawk 870E, Crucial 2TB x 2, TM WARTHOG COMBO + PENDULAR RUDDER PEDALS, THE AMAZING PIMAX 8K X, Sony 5.1 Spks+SubW | DCS, A-10C_II, AH-64D, F-14/15E/16/18, F-86F, AV-8B, M-2000C, SA342, Huey, Spitfire, FC3.
dburne Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 I feel like a second class citizen now... Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero|
Dragon1-1 Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 It's just another brain-dead forum reorg. VR encompasses both hardware and software, and I have to say it probably fits more in the latter category. @BIGNEWY, could we please have a poll on whether all the recent-ish changes for the forum are actually for the better? Because they aren't. They degrade usability for no discernable benefit other than "the front page looks nicer". We should go back to the way it was before, where things were organized the more or less same as the Russian forum now is. Let's stop sacrificing usability to placate someone's sense of aesthetics. And no, it's not me not liking change. This is me not liking getting an objective change for worse shoved down my throat. You can get used to a crappy layout, but you shouldn't have to.
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