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Can't help but ask a little polling, which you love more -- DCS F15E or F16C ?

I have both (and some others), but I find the eagle is such a pull much more than the F16C. Maybe I like it better that it has that 2 voluptuous MPD (7" vs smallish 5" in F16). Maybe I just prefer A2G stuff more. Maybe it's the good handling quality, especially taking off and landing (that awesome aero braking to a stop, with perfect brakes modelling compared to others).

I like the A10C too. If only that one is fast like the eagle !

But I do like the sound modelling in the F16C, that ever changing wheezing engine sound in cockpit that lets you know how much power you're using. Can't the eagle drivers hear that same changing wheezing sound in the cockpit IRL ? Quite a bit of "white-noise" in the eagle right now.

 

 

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I have both but honestly, I find the F16's hotas workflow far more intuitive and fluid. The F15's hotas functions are like "let's put this here, oh wait how about over here for the pilot and over there for the WSO".   

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I have both, sure. Now I prefer Mudhen, you know, new but overall they have the same priority for me. However, if there was a WSO AI that talks to us (like Jester/Jester 2), I would consider the F-15E more interesting.

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3 hours ago, Avio said:

Can't help but ask a little polling, which you love more -- DCS F15E or F16C ?

I've always had a soft spot for the F-15E, however it's still in early access and missing many Suite 4 features and weapons.

So for the moment, the more mature F-16C is my goto module for multi-player/coop despite it's more limited radar modelling.

It's also worth mentioning a guilty SP pleasure of mine ATM is the Gazelle's new flight model.

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3 hours ago, GrEaSeLiTeNiN said:

I have both but honestly, I find the F16's hotas workflow far more intuitive and fluid. The F15's hotas functions are like "let's put this here, oh wait how about over here for the pilot and over there for the WSO".   

Yup agree the eagle's HOTAS workflow could have been better.

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I also have both and so far prefer Viper or hornet over Mudhen in MP. Why ? Despite powerful radar I found its radar contact too small for my eyes ( I wish it's as big as the C model). Probably realistic but I'm not a fan of pitch bobbing up in Mudhen. Last, same as other guys mudhen hotas mechanics kinda weird for me but it's probably just a matter of getting used to.

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Imo flying the F-15E is more laid back and rewarding than flying the F-16. i just dont like the f-16's FBW and the f-15e is just easier to fly. not saying the f-16 is bad but i'd never really decide to drop some bombs on stationary targets like i would with the f-15

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19 hours ago, Oceandar said:

Probably realistic but I'm not a fan of pitch bobbing up in Mudhen. Last, same as other guys mudhen hotas mechanics kinda weird for me but it's probably just a matter of getting used to.

The pitch bobbing is because a normal joystick length just simply cannot replicate the longer stick length of the real eagle. Setting pitch curve of about 20 makes it a real joy to fly, with hardly any pitch bobbing. Try it.

 

11 hours ago, Zahnatom said:

Imo flying the F-15E is more laid back and rewarding than flying the F-16. i just dont like the f-16's FBW and the f-15e is just easier to fly. not saying the f-16 is bad but i'd never really decide to drop some bombs on stationary targets like i would with the f-15

Agree on the part about the F16’s FBW. Either I not quite getting used to it or something, I find the eagle trims and flies much more predictably and therefore, very precisely in all sorts of manoeuvres.

 

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8 hours ago, Ramsay said:

It's also worth mentioning a guilty SP pleasure of mine ATM is the Gazelle's new flight model.

I was excited to hear about the new FM but when I climbed in it it was a ride from hell. It seems even more f'ed than it did before. 😞 

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25 minutes ago, pii said:

I was excited to hear about the new FM but when I climbed in it it was a ride from hell. It seems even more f'ed than it did before.

I find the SA-342M pretty well-behaved when fully loaded (used to be under powered), while a lightly loaded L (empty after firing all it's HOT3) is very twitchy.

AFAIK the new FM is still being iterated on, so I'm not "concerned", it does make for some "interesting" flights though. YMMV.

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So far enjoying the F-15 airframe better than the F16s which I find less natural to feel/fly in its responses (both engine and aerodynamic).  Also really annoying that F16 still has poor radar functionality (TWS...) + stupid TPOD shortcomings (like the impossible to read north indicating arrow which is needed for any talk on CAS stuff) ... also... I trust Razbam (and the excelent M2000) more for development and realism.  

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F15E module is fantastic. Razbam have really shown what they are capable of with this. Love the F16 but the Eagle has more features and feels better atm. I love both but its F15E for me.

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My love if you consider real life aircraft is the F-15, and its brethren, the F-15E, of course. 

I've never ever liked the F-16. For the love of all that flies I'd rather spend my time with my beloved Jane's F-15 than Falcon 4.0 (that at the time, was in shop windows everywhere...those were good times). Anyway, in game, well the F-16 is more mature and the F-15 is in a very early state, so points to the F-16 on that. But the Mudhen will always be #1 in my heart. 

 

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6 hours ago, Avio said:

While Razbam's F15E here isn't as complete yet, I find it much sweeter and a joy to fly in, despite its lack of FBW like in the F16. That makes me wonder, is FBW really what it cracks up to be?

 

Have a go at the M2000 and you'll see what FBW can do 😀

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18 hours ago, Avio said:

While Razbam's F15E here isn't as complete yet, I find it much sweeter and a joy to fly in, despite its lack of FBW like in the F16. That makes me wonder, is FBW really what it cracks up to be?

 

What’s the consensus on what its supposed to be?  Its original development was built to make unstable aircraft stable. What more is the expectation of it?

The -15 is inherently stable on its own in most cases, but also has CAS for some of the same reasons when it may not be as happy. 

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I miss the single canopy and the SEAD capability from the F-16...and for sure its more nimble....but the Mudhen has a lot more range....and yes,I prefer it.

Just now, badger7966 said:

I miss the single canopy and the SEAD capability from the F-16...and for sure its more nimble....but the Mudhen has a lot more range....and yes,I prefer it.

Terrain following radar and a proper AGM.

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I don´t want to choose, monogamy is not a thing for me on DCS.

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13 hours ago, Ala12Rv-Tundra said:

I don´t want to choose, monogamy is not a thing for me on DCS.

 

Respect!

 

For me, the F-15E is my baby. A big fast heavy hitter with nice tech toys - my Space Shuttle of Death. :smoke: 

 

But it needs more weapons. No doubt about it. The GBU-28 is a must. This plane is screaming for beeg badabooms!

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9 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

Respect!

 

For me, the F-15E is my baby. A big fast heavy hitter with nice tech toys - my Space Shuttle of Death. :smoke: 

 

But it needs more weapons. No doubt about it. The GBU-28 is a must. This plane is screaming for beeg badabooms!

So a penetrator that will be useful for nothing DCS offers.  Just because it weighs more doesnt mean anything. 

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2 hours ago, Rainmaker said:

So a penetrator that will be useful for nothing DCS offers.  Just because it weighs more doesnt mean anything. 

 

I am joyfully impervious to your negative waves, baby. :smoke:

 

My big fat GBU-28s will not only make me smile, but actually make my bourbon even more delicious. 🥃

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