Europe Wishlist Thread

[-RAPTOR-]

those maps is te puncho for the modern warefare!!!

[AeriaGloria]

We'll get Afghanistan eventually, after Marianas I assume

[DixieITA]

+1

[flavnet]

+1

[Antartis]

+1

[durka-durka]

Iraq would be a perfect addition to the Kiowa. Lots of varied terrain, especially in the north. The 101st had Kiowas flying constantly in Mosul in 2003. A Lebanon/Syria/Northern Iraq map could make use of carrier ops, but would lose the desert and towns to the south such as Basra.

[TheCabal]

Hi there guys,

 

what about that? The second suggestion in the title is from Microprose Fleet Defender. GIUK gap would be cool too.

 

Greetings,

Cabal

[Furiz]

those maps is te puncho for the modern warefare!!!

 

 

 

 

Bosnia is too small, a jetliner flies over Bosnia in about 45 min, the Balkans would be much larger and better,

 

 

as for PG yea it would be great if they would connect the current PG map with the rest of the theater there.

[Northstar98]

Yes absolutely yes, any one of these I would kill for in DCS.

[TheCabal]

[speed-of-heat]

Wouldn’t that be very big, by comparison to their other maps? By the way, I’d like it too, I guess that’s why it’s a wish list

[Northstar98]

Wouldn’t that be very big, by comparison to their other maps

 

Unfortunately yes, by a long way, unless you choose a very specific region.

 

The only exception is Germany, which would be the smallest one by far (even if we extend into Belgium, the Netherlands, Poland and Denmark); but at the same time a tonne of objects (even for an 80s map) but at least there's plenty of historical airbases available for both red and blue, and finally a hi-fi green theatre as opposed to all of the sand...

[Harlikwin]

The marianas is a huge map but its 99% water. Rendering water is easy. The falklands map will be huge too. So GUIK gap is probably doable as long as the land area itself is limited to mostly iceland, maybe some low res of greenland and then the remaining islands and maybe like the upper tip of scotland.

 

That being said, where would the reds take off and land? Do we have enough red naval assets for the period? Is the actual naval modeling up to snuff (hint no, not by a long shot). Do we have enough cold war naval assets? Nope.

[speed-of-heat]

Well the Falklands are about 5000 sq miles on the ground, and Iceland is more like 10 times that.. and yes I hadn’t even considered the red-for... but yes we would need a Warsaw Pact naval assets pack, as a minimum...

[Northstar98]

The good things with the Falklands and Iceland is that they're fairly barren, I'm not sure that the mesh itself is the source of performance issues, more the number of objects.

 

Iceland does have more varied and I would say more complex terrain AFAIK, but that's really it, it's fairly sparse to my knowledge.

 

 

As for red aircraft on a GIUK gap map? No idea, SF2: NA had land based stuff operating out of airfields in the north-east, but to my knowledge they're not suitable for things like bombers.

 

But even so, we don't even have Cold War bombers to begin with, they're all fairly modern (well maybe apart from the Su-24M/MR and Tu-142).

 

But there's so many assets missing for 80s era stuff, both blue and red, especially for naval stuff.

 

I mean look at RAZBAM's lightning.... Yay, great a British jet (even if, erm, yeah) but kind of a misfit at the moment in DCS, because there's nothing it historically intercepts, everything is too modern.

[Harlikwin]

I think terrain wise it would be doable. Look at the PG or Cauc land area.

 

But more importantly, whats the play going to be? We dint have anything resembling the proper assets on either side for any period. Maaaybe the viggen (which is a bit later, and has fancy TERNAV) but would likely just be used for anti-shipping strikes, and you could say they escaped Sweden and Norway which are now where the Russians are staging out of? But we really have no red units for that aside from AI and maaaybe the FC3 SU-27.

 

I mean the best scenario i can think of for the marianas is some weird and highly unrealistic deal where the Chinese (modern) or Russians (70's-80s) capture the islands somehow (LOL) and then a US CVBG is used to take them back. So that overall scenario might work for iceland too.

 

Of course we have no chinese planes. Or modern russian ones except FC3.

 

Overall its the standard DCS problem of just a really incoherent plane set along with a really limited Core game/assets with planes and assets added willy nilly aside from WW2.

Edited May 15, 2020 by Harlikwin

[tosmonaute]

Yes this would be a great cold war theater.

I hope it will become real someday.

[Mfezi]

I also think that would be a fantastic map from so many perspectives. However, it is also a very busy area in terms of built up areas and there are a huge amount of very unique landmarks in that area. If they can find a way to make it work - it would be great. I would buy it.

[stuart666]

Its funny, I was just about to post this one. :D

 

 

Yes, East and West Germany would be just about perfect. We have all the major combat aircraft to make it viable. The real problem is going to be the urbanization which would be challenging, but setting it in the mid 80's would cut out a lot of urban sprawl. But PC's are getting faster clearly this is one that wouldbe in much demand.

[mazex]

Even though I would love this map coming from Sweden (with a mother that was born in Estonia but fled to Sweden in 1944 when the Soviets invaded).

 

The problem for a cold war scenario is that there really are no Nato airfields on this map. It's almost all red. One Swedish (F16 Uppsala) and really no Finnish as it cuts below Tampere-Pirkkala.

 

That is why I finally proposed this in my Southern Baltic proposal - https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=239656. In that area you get bases for all. Lots of WP bases, Western Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden and even US bases in the UK that is interesting both for cold war - but especially for WWII. And a lot of water for Carrier ops that is important in DCS. I have a hard time seeing a NATO carrier entering the baltic Sea in any Cold war scenario. But in the north east corner of the proposal in my image above it makes sense?

 

My initial proposal in that thread included more of the Baltics and Kaliningrad that is interesting. But that ends up with to much ground that takes time to model... Looking at the cut below it would make sense to extend it eastwards to Kaliningrad actually.

 

Edited May 24, 2020 by mazex

[mazex]

Did some more thinking on this based on other baltic proposals... It really would be nice to squeeze in Kaliningrad and some Baltic coast line without adding to much more ground to model. So:

 

 

And yes - that deleted area can have elevation but no details like in other maps. It deletes Berlin etc that would be great to have - but focusing on the "coastal areas" removes more than 50% of the European densely populated ground to model... And there are so many scenarios that can take place on this. Cold war, WW II and present day with Russian fighters from Kaliningrad probing the Swedish and Danish air defences every week lately...

 

And like before - only really big cities are Hamburg and Copenhagen. With this the Gdynia / Gdansk area is added as well that is a ~500k poulated area. Groningen is 200k. But make cities rather generic - this is a military sim not a sight seeing sim like others.

[Stratos]

Heatblur was working on a map for the Viggen, right? what happened to that map?

[Furiz]

One of the former Yugoslav secret bases

 

 

[paranoid]

+1

[Mig Fulcrum]

Still not in development yet? Ok, I will pass next year.