Over-G damage *Again*

[max22]

The F-15E over-g damage model is too fragile with a slight pull on the stick and the jet is broken and start shaking.

It's really not playable right now. Please fix this.

[silverdevil]

4 minutes ago, max22 said:

The F-15E over-g damage model is too fragile with a slight pull on the stick and the jet is broken and start shaking.

It's really not playable right now. Please fix this.

hello. can you upload a track of the issue? 

[razo+r]

I've just flown it a few hours ago with slight and large pulls on the stick and while it did shake temporarily, it never broke. So I cannot confirm that it is unplayable. 

Perhaps you should, as suggested above, attach a track. 

Edited November 26, 2023 by razo+r

[Rainmaker]

There’s nothing to ‘fix’.  It allows for well over the ‘structural’ limit before causing any permanent damage. 

[Ignition]

I never had any issues with over-G. I've Never broke the aircraft just for "flying" it, I don't know how people fly to manage to brake it.

A video would be appreciated.

 

Edited November 26, 2023 by Ignition

[Nealius]

I've yanked the stick sharply and had Betty yell at me, but once yelled at I immediately unload the stick a bit. Have yet to experience any kind of over-G damage.

[max22]

Slight pull to the stick at high speed and right wing got damaged.

[razo+r]

That sounds more than a slight pull. 

Either way, can you at least show us a short track or at the very least tell us how many G's you achieved with your slight pull? 

[DD_fruitbat]

I've never over G'd in normal flying, however I did spectacularly when I switched back to in cockpit after watching my Jdams impacting a few days ago, and was moments from hitting the ground. The resulting snatch back on the stick bent both of the wings and made for an interesting flight back and landing.

[jaylw314]

4 hours ago, razo+r said:

That sounds more than a slight pull. 

Either way, can you at least show us a short track or at the very least tell us how many G's you achieved with your slight pull? 

I'm going to guess there was some attempt at a max speed run 

[Nealius]

Yeah, potentially going at high speed and not understanding that one needs to be gentler on the stick in those regimes.

[LeCuvier]

I have experienced the "problem" after manoeuvering wildly between the mountains to escape an AA missile. Betty bitched a lot and the flight back to base was difficult because the aircraft kept rolling left and right, no way to stabilize the roll axis. I was flying with G-effects disabled; otherwise I'm sure I would have suffered blackout or red-out. Seems realistic that the aircraft suffered some damage. A pity that the damage is not indicated in the de-briefing!

[max22]

4 minutes ago, LeCuvier said:

the flight back to base was difficult because the aircraft kept rolling left and right

This is exactly what I experience ! This doesn't happen on the F-16 which is more forgiving.

Edited November 30, 2023 by max22

[razo+r]

3 minutes ago, max22 said:

This is exactly what I experience ! This doesn't happen on the F-16 which s a lot more forgiving.

Then start respecting the airframes limit if you don't want to break it.

There are two main reasons why it doesn't happen to the F-16:

1) The FLCS of the F-16 mostly prevents you from exceeding the G-Limit. An equivalent system is not present in the F-15.

2) There is no wing bending simulated in the F-16. You either shave them clean off, or not.

[QuiGon]

16 minutes ago, max22 said:

This is exactly what I experience ! This doesn't happen on the F-16 which is more forgiving.

Because the F-16 has a Fly-By-Wire computer that prevents the aircraft from being pushed over its G-limits. The F-15E does not have such a system, so the pilot needs to take care that he doesn't overstress the airframe. That's not a bug, it's a feature.