OH-6A by Tobsen and Eightball

[tobi]

9 minutes ago, Ithronwise said:

Everyone understands your decision. Life changes and there are many more important things than a dcs mod. But it would be fair to the community that loves your and Eightball's mods to make them open source so other talented modders can continue the work of you two.

Free "product" is not fair enough?

[HawaiianRyan]

14 minutes ago, tobi said:

Free "product" is not fair enough?

I agree -- I see the entitled attitude in the community even now after the announcement.

Thank you for the good times with this mod -- it was fantastic!

[tobi]

Just now, HawaiianRyan said:

I agree -- I see the entitled attitude in the community even now after the announcement.

Thank you for the good times with this mod -- it was fantastic!

Thanks. It is still there...

[Ithronwise]

1 hour ago, tobi said:

Free "product" is not fair enough?

Free software and open source software are two completely different things. The first one just allows the user to use it for free. The second one allows the user to use it for free and additionally allows other modders to continue the development, create new content, keep it up-to-date and so on.

If you want to avoid that someone is using your work to make profit you could publish it under an open source software license like GNU GPL (General Public License): https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html

Of course, it is your software, your work, your decision and I hope you understand this just as a suggestion of mine, because I like your and Eightballs mods. Without further development and maintenance it is only a question of time until some future DCS update will break them.

[tobi]

1 hour ago, Ithronwise said:

Free software and open source software are two completely different things. The first one just allows the user to use it for free. The second one allows the user to use it for free and additionally allows other modders to continue the development, create new content, keep it up-to-date and so on.

If you want to avoid that someone is using your work to make profit you could publish it under an open source software license like GNU GPL (General Public License): https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html

Of course, it is your software, your work, your decision and I hope you understand this just as a suggestion of mine, because I like your and Eightballs mods. Without further development and maintenance it is only a question of time until some future DCS update will break them.

Thank you for the explantion but I am very aware of this and I know very well that there is a difference between free and open source software. It is a clear decision to make it free but not open source. 

I am wondering why I really have to discuss this here.

Do you really believe that some who would like to take the code does not take it and compile it to a non readable binary because it is a GPL licence??? Sounds like letting doors open and putting a sign please don't steal something. 

Nobody said the oh-6 won't be maintained. 

No DCS update had negative impact on the mod til now. 

Open source won't happen

To be honest, I think it's pretty cheeky to ask so insistently.

[Esac_mirmidon]

More than cheeky, i think people was just so excited and happy with the MH-60 development, and knowing the project is cancelled is shocking so maybe they want to dream about any ray of hope about the future with that project.

Your position about is crystal clear, and i think all of us respect your decision. We are gratefull about the free OH-6 and keeping it working in the future

 

Edited March 7 by Esac_mirmidon

[Tonker]

2 hours ago, Esac_mirmidon said:

gratefull about the free OH-6

Can confirm

[Ithronwise]

5 hours ago, tobi said:

Do you really believe that some who would like to take the code does not take it and compile it to a non readable binary because it is a GPL licence??? Sounds like letting doors open and putting a sign please don't steal something. 

Open source and GPL don't work this way. All large and smaller open source projects out there are published under some sort of GPL and there is no case known where someone has "stolen" source code from another because the code is free and it is forbidden to change it to closed source or make profit with it if the origin license doesn't allow it, otherwise it is a violation of the license and this will be very expensive for that one. The compliance of the GPL licenses is controlled by the open source community. Even large companies like Microsoft or Alphabet adhere to this (and are part of the open source community because they have a lot of own open source projects and support a lot of others).

But anyway, as I wrote, it is your decision. I just wanted to show you a way how your mods could be further developed in the future. There is no reason to be upset. It was just a suggestion. 

Edited March 7 by Ithronwise

[MAXsenna]

1 hour ago, Ithronwise said:

and there is no case known where someone has "stolen" source code from another because the code is free and it is forbidden to change it to closed source or make profit with it if the origin license doesn't allow it,

LOL! Try the software bundled with the Moza AB9 force feedback base... Pretty much stolen from VP Force.

 

Edited March 7 by MAXsenna

[MAXsenna]

1 hour ago, Ithronwise said:

There is no reason to be upset. It was just a suggestion. 

It's your wording. Not the suggestion. 

1 hour ago, Ithronwise said:

But it would be fair to the community that loves your and Eightball's mods to make them open source so other talented modders can continue the work of you two.

Comes off as pretty entitled IMHO. 

[tobi]

3 hours ago, Ithronwise said:

Open source and GPL don't work this way. All large and smaller open source projects out there are published under some sort of GPL and there is no case known where someone has "stolen" source code from another because the code is free and it is forbidden to change it to closed source or make profit with it if the origin license doesn't allow it, otherwise it is a violation of the license and this will be very expensive for that one. The compliance of the GPL licenses is controlled by the open source community. Even large companies like Microsoft or Alphabet adhere to this (and are part of the open source community because they have a lot of own open source projects and support a lot of others).

But anyway, as I wrote, it is your decision. I just wanted to show you a way how your mods could be further developed in the future. There is no reason to be upset. It was just a suggestion. 

It does not matter how open source works (this is not open source it is my IP you are asking here for) It is how the world works and crime works. The open source community won't sue anyone for me in case some one uses it off licence. It is ridiculous tbh. Let's move on.

[Ithronwise]

7 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Comes off as pretty entitled IMHO. 

Calm down, it wasn't meant this way. Maybe you should think for a moment that not all here are native english speakers and therefore not every sentence may perfectly enunciated. To instantly insinuate a bad purpose is a strange attitude and I can't believe that I have to defend myself for a simple suggestion, which one and only reason was to show a way that would allow to see these mods are still working in two or more years. This forum is full of great but dead mods because the developer has given up and there was no successor.

Anyway, I am out here. I don't need this hostility.

[Hiob]

Hey guys, 

this thread is getting a wrong spin. One it doesn’t deserve.

I think we all agree that the OH-6 is a great contribution and we are all thankful for it. We can equally agree that Tobi has every right to move on AND keep his IP protected if he so desires. 

Let’s be double thankful for him to indicate that he will maintain the OH-6 in its current form and function.

Don’t let us spoil this great topic with “what if”s or legal nitpicking or “what about”s……. please! 

 

[Slippa]

Bang on Hiob.

This thread's been one of my 'DCS happy places' . This and the Lancaster thread have brought me a load of joy. The idea of this was great from the off. What we've been given even greater and yeah, I'm chuffed Tobi & Eightball ever dreamt it up. Who knew it'd be this much fun as well?                          

I'm hoping in a bit of time they'll pick up where they left off, having worked on bits already? Maybe work on something else, who knows? These skills can't come easy though, they'll have to be made use of and I'd be chuffed to see anything they came up with. Take a bit of time out, chill for a bit I reckon.

I think we should all get ourselves some snazzy Hawaiian shirts and start growing out the tashes. Slip on the flip-flops and drink by the pool for a bit. Those of us without a pool, drinks, or the mandatory flip-flops will just have to use our imagination I'm afraid. Or, we can go fly our favourite little chopper .

Happy to see I'm not the only one that did this 

 

 

[MAXsenna]

@Hiob @Slippa
Well said both of you.
Spring is already underway Norway already, might get me some flip flops and find some old pictures from Hawaii even if that experience was pretty cold after a year in South Asia. Florida on the other hand...
Slippa, congrats to you Limey's for beating Finland in the men's relay in The 2025 World Ski Championship the other day. Didn't see that one coming.

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[tobi]

11 hours ago, Ithronwise said:

Calm down, it wasn't meant this way. Maybe you should think for a moment that not all here are native english speakers and therefore not every sentence may perfectly enunciated. To instantly insinuate a bad purpose is a strange attitude and I can't believe that I have to defend myself for a simple suggestion, which one and only reason was to show a way that would allow to see these mods are still working in two or more years. This forum is full of great but dead mods because the developer has given up and there was no successor.

Anyway, I am out here. I don't need this hostility.

Ok...

[Tommy528]

As I said earlier, I can certainly appreciate and understand burnout. 

 

Ultimately, they are your creations to do with as you see fit. I am grateful you are both choosing to still support the existing mod, and I thank you both deeply for that. 

 

An earlier post gave some great clarity which I had not considered in regards to why it may not be advisable to release everything for someone else to work on. 

Having read that, I can see where a Modder/Dev might not want to just put it all out there. 

 

In any case, your bird, your work, your rules. I respect whatever direction you both take for your own health and wellbeing. 

 

Thank you for the incredible contributions you've given us. They have been significant, and we are better for having them in the game. 

 

All the best to you both in your future endeavors. 

[tobi]

28 minutes ago, Tommy528 said:

As I said earlier, I can certainly appreciate and understand burnout. 

 

Ultimately, they are your creations to do with as you see fit. I am grateful you are both choosing to still support the existing mod, and I thank you both deeply for that. 

 

An earlier post gave some great clarity which I had not considered in regards to why it may not be advisable to release everything for someone else to work on. 

Having read that, I can see where a Modder/Dev might not want to just put it all out there. 

 

In any case, your bird, your work, your rules. I respect whatever direction you both take for your own health and wellbeing. 

 

Thank you for the incredible contributions you've given us. They have been significant, and we are better for having them in the game. 

 

All the best to you both in your future endeavors. 

There is no Burnout. Anyway thx

[Slippa]

55 minutes ago, tobi said:

There is no Burnout. Anyway thx

Glad to hear it .

”Limey” Max?  I like it. Ain’t been called that for a while. 

[MAXsenna]

Glad to hear it .
”Limey” Max?  I like it. Ain’t been called that for a while. 

The citrus' on me, cheers!

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[Vic]

I just found out about this mod a couple days ago. What an awesome mod!!!! You guy really did some great hard work!

I made a skin of Hugh Mills's Miss Clawd IV

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[Tonker]

Nice!

If there was a download link, I'd use it...

[eUK Nibbler]

It's a fantastic mod as is, thanks for your work.  Respect.