DCS for linux?

[skypickle]

Microsoft is going to a subscription model for its OS

 

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/12/05/232218/windows-10-gets-three-more-years-of-security-updates-if-you-can-afford-them

 

Can we get a linux distro for DCS?

[BIGNEWY]

No news for linux currently, that may change in the future. 

Regarding the Windows 10 security subscription announcement, why not just upgrade to windows 11?

thank you 

[speed-of-heat]

8 minutes ago, skypickle said:

Microsoft is going to a subscription model for its OS

 

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/12/05/232218/windows-10-gets-three-more-years-of-security-updates-if-you-can-afford-them

 

Can we get a linux distro for DCS?

no they are offering a subscription for extended support for enterprises (past the 10 year mark)  ... and they have done this before (2000, XP, 7 and 8 )  it's not new ... 

Edited April 4, 2024 by speed-of-heat

[Hiob]

Windows 11 is 90% Windows 10 with a new paintjob anyway.

Apart from the occasional "what the duck did they change that menu layout for...?!!" you won't even feel a difference.

It needs the same treatment to get rid of the most obnoxious telemetry and bloat of course, but by now all the usual tools and information for that are up to date.

[SharpeXB]

It’s worth noting that less than 2% of this demographic uses Linux.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

So unless it’s a near zero cost thing to incorporate it doesn’t seem like it would ever be feasible. 

[tribbin]

27 minutes ago, skypickle said:

Microsoft is going to a subscription model for its OS

 

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/12/05/232218/windows-10-gets-three-more-years-of-security-updates-if-you-can-afford-them

 

Can we get a linux distro for DCS?

I've been running DCS on Linux (through Steam/Proton) without problems for a very long time, but bought a Windows license some months ago so I have VR support, which is something that ED can't really fix for Linux.

https://www.protondb.com/app/223750

[cfrag]

I think that those people most interested in a Linux distro would be the server farmers who provide us with a great service (I'm renting a Fox3 server). If they can knock off a few dollars off their monthly fee for using Linux instead of Win, I'm sure they would appreciate it. The rest of us probably hold their nose and run Win. 

Edited April 4, 2024 by cfrag

[SharkWizard]

If ED ever makes a Linux version it will as an insurance against ever losing the direct connection to the customer.

At some point Windows will become a walled garden at which point the only "side-loaders" will be roughly the same 2% of folks that are able to use Linux competently. 

 

 

[SharpeXB]

The Windows conspiracy theory stuff is hilarious

ED or any developer doesn’t set the market, they just follow it. It wouldn’t be feasible to port the game unless that cost was less than the revenue from those minuscule sales. Pretty simple math. 

[DigitalEngine]

11 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

No news for linux currently, that may change in the future. 

Regarding the Windows 10 security subscription announcement, why not just upgrade to windows 11?

thank you 

"that may change in the future. "

[Raisuli]

11 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

No news for linux currently, that may change in the future. 

Regarding the Windows 10 security subscription announcement, why not just upgrade to windows 11?

thank you 

It's an upgrade?

In any event, Linux isn't a thing until they switch to Vulkan.  Probably no point even bothering to wish at this point.

[upyr1]

If my vr and dcs worked in Linux I would get rid of windows 

[notproplayer3]

Would love to see more official ED support for Linux.

Even though it seems that you can run DCS on Linux pretty well, little bugs here and there and VR support seem to be some of the issues of this combo.

I'm honnestly contemplating dropping Sh*tcrosoft Windows for Linux on my gaming PC but official ED support for Linux would go a long way and I'm sure would be very appreciated by the community.

Matter of fact, wasn't it mentioned at your recent performance QA forum thread that once Vulkan was added you'd consider making the game multiplatform ? Yes please 

Edited April 6, 2024 by notproplayer3

[drPhibes]

Increased linux compatibility through Wine/Proton is probably the best we can hope for. Making DCS a native linux application would be a massive undertaking, and is not worth the effort. The graphics API is only a small part of how the game interacts with the host OS, so while switching from DirectX to Vulkan certainly helps, the rest of the job is not as simple as replacing windows.h with linux.h in a few source files and recompiling.

 

[Ithronwise]

On 4/4/2024 at 4:19 PM, SharpeXB said:

It’s worth noting that less than 2% of this demographic uses Linux.

13 minutes ago, drPhibes said:

Making DCS a native linux application would be a massive undertaking, and is not worth the effort.

That's the typical chicken-and-egg-problem. If more game developers would support linux this number on steam would much higher. We all will pay the price for this dependency from large software providers and their closed source products. I already see it in my professional environment (latest topic: VMWare).

[drPhibes]

You obviously misunderstood my post. I didn't say that making DCS playable on linux is a waste of time, but that improving playability through Wine/Proton is a more sensible way of spending limited development resources.

[SharpeXB]

3 hours ago, Ithronwise said:

If more game developers would support linux this number on steam would much higher.

And players won’t use Linux since developers won’t support it…

Edited April 7, 2024 by SharpeXB

[Tippis]

No news is good news, they say — doubly so if it's no news yet rather than a hard “nope”.

As for Win10 vs Win11, I'd actually say that yes, the latter is an upgrade. You have to run both through a telemetry cleaner regardless, and both need their start menus fixed with something like OpenShell, so the ugly bits are about equal in that regard. The advantage you get is a more coherent interface and — somehow — less pointless bloatware(!) Late-release Win10 is just so shock-full of “neat features” and “bonus apps” MS have added through the years that serve no intelligent purpose other than to sit there and not be able to be uninstalled. Wn11 will probably get there as well sooner or later, but that's… well… later, rather than right now. So that's an improvement right there.

2 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

And players won’t use Linux since developers won’t support it…

Yes… that is exactly what he said. Is that your new shtick? Just repeating the post you quoted without actually adding anything because your usual naysaying is not working?

[M-Flux]

On the DCS on Linux topic, we have this starting point for resources: https://github.com/TheZoq2/dcs_on_linux/ There is also a Matrix channel linked there, which in the last 10 months has grown from 3 to 33 people. Feel free to join, too :-).

[Guest]

On 4/5/2024 at 3:02 AM, Hiob said:

Windows 11 is 90% Windows 10 with a new paintjob anyway.

Apart from the occasional "what the duck did they change that menu layout for...?!!" you won't even feel a difference.

It needs the same treatment to get rid of the most obnoxious telemetry and bloat of course, but by now all the usual tools and information for that are up to date.

I am seeing increasing numbers of (WMR users) that are baulking at the idea of going to Win11 (or presumably any future versions) as MS are discontinuing support for WMR this year (Win11).  

While a Linux distro is clearly not overly attractive to ED financially, they could possibly endear themselves to a lot of current WMR users by uping their support to those developing Monado/openXR or other devs trying to get VR working on Linux nicely for example.  

Edited May 13, 2024 by Gunslinger52

[Shadok]

4 hours ago, Gunslinger52 said:

While a Linux distro is clearly not overly attractive to ED financially, they could possibly endear themselves to a lot of current WMR users by uping their support to those developing Monado/openXR or other devs trying to get VR working on Linux nicely for example.  

 

This can be a good alternative, hope ED can think about it.

[Hiob]

I would be sooo happy if I could move to linux completely. Not because of some "nerd elitism", but because modern distributions, outside gaming and some specialized applications are almost indistinguishable from windows anyway (from a UI perspective) but without the unsolicited data drainage. I just don't like the direction Windows is developing to. For now it is bearable since you can go very deep into its inner workings and taylor it to an "ok" status, but I have a feeling that the good times are comeing to an end.......

[Dangerzone]

For me, I believe DCS Server running of Linux would be the first priority. Get our servers off Windows in datacenters would be a nice start! Then we could focus on the client. 

The concern I have is support. We already see so much going on in the VR world, and other peripherals. Would moving to Linux create even more issues, or could it be an actual saving grace for a number of us? I don't know. 

I have my PC Gaming machine for one thing only - DCS - so moving to linux, provided DCS would run off Linux would be easy, and even preferred to get away from this trap that is now Microsoft, with it's coercion policies, telemetry, and pulling the rug from under you once you finally have a solution (looking at WMR here!!!) to name a few reasons.

If it wasn't for DCS - the only windows computers I'd have would be what work supplies. Since Microsoft have given up on the whole idea of "Personal Computer" and have abandoned their strengths to go chasing Google's ideals instead - with data collection, more web-apps, and more of 'their' control, the future of Windows looks pretty uninviting for me.

[emc]

On 4/9/2024 at 6:02 AM, M-Flux said:

On the DCS on Linux topic, we have this starting point for resources: https://github.com/TheZoq2/dcs_on_linux/ There is also a Matrix channel linked there, which in the last 10 months has grown from 3 to 33 people. Feel free to join, too :-).

"Kind-of / semi" official guide for Linux/SteamDeck... maybe some useful detail to incorporate into repository

On 5/14/2024 at 8:18 AM, Dangerzone said:

For me, I believe DCS Server running of Linux would be the first priority. Get our servers off Windows in datacenters would be a nice start! Then we could focus on the client. 

The concern I have is support. We already see so much going on in the VR world, and other peripherals. Would moving to Linux create even more issues, or could it be an actual saving grace for a number of us? I don't know. 

I have my PC Gaming machine for one thing only - DCS - so moving to linux, provided DCS would run off Linux would be easy, and even preferred to get away from this trap that is now Microsoft, with it's coercion policies, telemetry, and pulling the rug from under you once you finally have a solution (looking at WMR here!!!) to name a few reasons.

If it wasn't for DCS - the only windows computers I'd have would be what work supplies. Since Microsoft have given up on the whole idea of "Personal Computer" and have abandoned their strengths to go chasing Google's ideals instead - with data collection, more web-apps, and more of 'their' control, the future of Windows looks pretty uninviting for me.

same story with my... I have windows10 only for DCS... I would love clean up SDD and install Arch or something....

[maxTRX]

Little side note...  It's hilarious to see some folks on YT panicking about this new beautiful Win11 feature called 'Recall' coming soon .  Now they see a good reason to switch to Linux.

I'll run both and have some fun with this Recall and if it gets on my nerves... there is a way to kill it.