Cab Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 2 minutes ago, Pipe said: I thought sim enthusiasts were smarter…oh well Live and learn, I guess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipe Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 59 minutes ago, Cab said: Nope, sorry. You’ve still lost me. It’s probably me, but don’t bother explaining I’ve kind of lost interest. Yet your still here? i7 4770k @ 4.5, asus z-87 pro, strix GTX 980ti directcu3oc, 32gb Kingston hyperX 2133, philips 40" 4k monitor, hotas cougar\warthog, track ir 5, Oculus Rift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cab Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Ha ha...yes. I've lost interest in the topic but am fascinated by you. Carry on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VZ_342 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 It ain't over until the fat lady sings....or until WE say it's over! Was it over when....the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braunn Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 11 hours ago, Cab said: Not sure how that applies to this discussion, but yes, that’s the word. But we don’t know the circumstances behind that. It’s conceivable that it’s Razbam that was in breach of some agreement. Nothing applies to this discussion. It's not even a real discussion. 100% speculation through and through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevyn Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 8 hours ago, Pipe said: I thought sim enthusiasts were smarter…oh well Those days are long gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goetsch Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 I really like the F15E and don't want to see it turn into a second Hawk..... Let's hope for the best. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille H. Mono Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Why so many people come here to disrespect fellow customers/players?? People are disapointed, worried and frustrated. It is normal when you are used in a leverage in a dispute you don't know nothing about. There is little room for speculation in how this action have shattered customers trust. Yet some very smart sim enthusiasts feel the need to spent the weekend here trashing other customers claims. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3N5H1 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 According to the license agreement with ED, there are sadly no possibility of refunding. So I hope for ED and Razbam to get an agreement of accomplishing the F-15E module. Otherwise ED could maybe get the sourcecode, to complete the module by them selves. This could cost ED a lot, when Razbam just vender the code. Rig: AMD 5800X3D | 64GB DDR4 3200 | MSI MPG B550 | 16GB RTX 4070 Ti Super | 24" FHD 60 Hz | Meta Quest 2 | TM Warthog Hotas + F-18 Stick | TM T.Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cab Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 3 hours ago, T3N5H1 said: According to the license agreement with ED, there are sadly no possibility of refunding. I think it can just be as interpreted as they are not obligated to provide a refund. That doesn’t preclude them offering a refund under certain conditions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VDV Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Is there any evidence that EA of F-15E will not continue or its cancelled? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3N5H1 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 vor 1 Minute schrieb VDV: Is there any evidence that EA of F-15E will not continue or its cancelled? Currently there are a lot of presumptions, but no clear announcements to bring clarity to this issue. I ve just seen, that a different topic here in the forum was closed for further discussion. I ve searched for the topic but I don't find it right now. Later when I have more time, I will post it. Rig: AMD 5800X3D | 64GB DDR4 3200 | MSI MPG B550 | 16GB RTX 4070 Ti Super | 24" FHD 60 Hz | Meta Quest 2 | TM Warthog Hotas + F-18 Stick | TM T.Flight Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeCuvier Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 I feel that we have vented a lot of frustration and worry, related not only to the fate of the F-15E but also the question which way ED will be going. This reflects the passion we have for this game, which we all want to see continuing on a solid path. Unfortunately we don't have a lot of hard facts, so much of our discussion is based on speculation and hear-say. I hope that ED will come forth with a statement of facts and intents in the near future. Until they do that, or we are are confronted with hard facts, I see little benefit in continuing on this thread. 1 LeCuvier Windows 10 Pro 64Bit | i7-4790 CPU |16 GB RAM|SSD System Disk|SSD Gaming Disk| MSI GTX-1080 Gaming 8 GB| Acer XB270HU | TM Warthog HOTAS | VKB Gladiator Pro | MongoosT-50 | MFG Crosswind Pedals | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VDV Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Thats why we need to buy only pure DCS products in the future, not 3rd party products! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiob Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 57 minutes ago, VDV said: Thats why we need to buy only pure DCS products in the future, not 3rd party products! Do that. I keep enjoying the Strike Eagle for now….. and the Mirage F-1 and the Gazelle and the Tomcat and the Harrier. …and I‘m full of pleasant anticipation for the Phantom (….and the Kiowa and the Bo-105 and the Corsair and and and…..) I also love lots of my original ED modules but Thank God we have third party developers! 6 1 "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra1-1 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 I highly doubt there will be any refunds. If they do it for one, they have to do it for everyone. The money made from modules is likely already spent on overhead, to include developer compensation etc.. Some of their modules have been around for quite a while now. These are small companies with small teams on limited budgets. Hopefully they can come to a resolution and everything will be fine. I expect it will take a while though since either way, there will be lessons learned and it will likely include legal matters(contractual agreements, wording etc. etc.). For this situation and all others going forward, between all 3rd Party developers and ED. Best not to get ahead of ourselves though and let ED and Rb figure this out. It's too bad it was made public the way it was. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAXsenna Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 4 hours ago, Zebra1-1 said: Best not to get ahead of ourselves though and let ED and Rb figure this out. It's too bad it was made public the way it was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn kamikaze Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 On 4/8/2024 at 8:28 PM, VDV said: Thats why we need to buy only pure DCS products in the future, not 3rd party products! Exactly my plan, no more third party modules for me, they can't be trusted now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAXsenna Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Exactly my plan, no more third party modules for me, they can't be trusted now.With that username? ROTFLMAO!!!! Let's not comb every 3rd over the same comb. I'm positive the situation will be solved in a gentlemanly manner the best possible solution for us users, and I will happily support the 3rd parties I see fit.Cheers everyone and enjoy your weekend! Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfxcasey Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) On 4/6/2024 at 5:25 AM, cfrag said: We are all grown ups here Have you read some of the posts on these forums? That said, without knowing the full details of the issue, its currently my opinion that EA needs to do whatever needs to happen to fix the situation, be that negotiating an agreement with Razbam or purchasing the source codes and supporting Razbam's modules themselves. Whatever caused this problem should have never been capable of happening in the first place, had no one ever considered the possibility and adopted a contingency plan? Not trying to bash ED, but no matter who is at fault my feeling is that they need to make this right and fulfill their commitments to their customers. Even if Razbam's modules never get updated again and stay in their current state of development forever, ED needs to be able to fix them if a DCS World update breaks them completely. Edited April 12 by rfxcasey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cab Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 On 4/12/2024 at 10:02 AM, rfxcasey said: Have you read some of the posts on these forums? That said, without knowing the full details of the issue, its currently my opinion that EA needs to do whatever needs to happen to fix the situation, be that negotiating an agreement with Razbam or purchasing the source codes and supporting Razbam's modules themselves. Whatever caused this problem should have never been capable of happening in the first place, had no one ever considered the possibility and adopted a contingency plan? Not trying to bash ED, but no matter who is at fault my feeling is that they need to make this right and fulfill their commitments to their customers. Even if Razbam's modules never get updated again and stay in their current state of development forever, ED needs to be able to fix them if a DCS World update breaks them completely. According to ED there are already safeguards in place regarding source code should a 3rd party dev stop supporting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfxcasey Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 4/14/2024 at 11:52 AM, Cab said: According to ED there are already safeguards in place regarding source code should a 3rd party dev stop supporting. I read this but I also read a suggestion that the issue causing Razbam to not get paid was they weren't giving up their source code to ED. I've also read it suggested that the issue was Razbam mishandling ED's source code in violation of ED's agreement with 3rd party devs. Admittedly its all speculative and we may never actually know what the cause of the dispute was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGraw Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 I want a refund if the module stays like this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramstein Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 On 4/6/2024 at 5:00 AM, Hiob said: you know what the 4th monkey is doing? LOL 1 ASUS Strix Z790-H, i9-13900, WartHog HOTAS and MFG Crosswind G.Skill 64 GB Ram, 2TB SSD EVGA Nvidia RTX 2080-TI 55" Sony OLED TV, Oculus VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernardi Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 any actual updates on this? even if they continue i dont think Razbam is trustworthy enough and would like to use the money on something else.. but i guess if they continue i wont be able to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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