F-4 Phantom Campaign announcement: 'MIG Killers'

[Reflected]

 

[Spirale]

Instant buy for me, RS your campaigns are so well thinked, made, i can refly them and have the same pleasure each time= well done

[LordOrion]

1 billion $ question: do you have any ETA for the release date (maybe even approximated)?

TY

[Tom Kazansky]

7 minutes ago, LordOrion said:

1 billion $ question: do you have any ETA for the release date (maybe even approximated)?

TY

"The campaign should be released shortly after the Phantom" @11min42sec of the video

Edited May 15, 2024 by Tom Kazansky

[_JMax]

Really looking forward to this.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Looks stunning, Reflected. Looking forward to it .

[av8orDave]

I'll state the obvious and say "man, I wish it were an F-4B or F-4J", but absent that, this looks incredible! Reflected's campaigns are an automatic purchase as soon as they release. I'm sure this will live up to the standard he's set with his other campaigns.

I don't want to derail the thread, and I'm sure it has been answered and I've missed it, but does anyone know if Heatblur had a reason for choosing to model the -E over the -B or -J? Phantom carrier ops would be phenomenal. I know they've mentioned doing a Navy Phantom down the road, but given DCS development timelines I hope it happens before the expansion of the sun encapsulates Earth.

[Steel Jaw]

Instant purchase.

[Mike Force Team]

For Mike Force Team, it will be in my online shopping cart when it is available. 

[Boosterdog]

Sold! 

And HB can thank you too as its tipped me into buying the F4. 

[Oesau]

3 hours ago, davidrbarnette said:

I don't want to derail the thread, and I'm sure it has been answered and I've missed it, but does anyone know if Heatblur had a reason for choosing to model the -E over the -B or -J? Phantom carrier ops would be phenomenal. I know they've mentioned doing a Navy Phantom down the road, but given DCS development timelines I hope it happens before the expansion of the sun encapsulates Earth.

I believe its due to the E model being the mostly widely exported and its associated combat making it more appealing to a wider audience I get it really - although I am a Navy Phantom lover and look forward to the day that we potentially see a J model.

 

Nice work so far @Reflected and love the idea of making it a hard  wing (tapped into the components model???) - looking forward to this

[exhausted]

Looking forward to the skins for this one. 

9 hours ago, davidrbarnette said:

I'll state the obvious and say "man, I wish it were an F-4B or F-4J", but absent that, this looks incredible! Reflected's campaigns are an automatic purchase as soon as they release. I'm sure this will live up to the standard he's set with his other campaigns.

I don't want to derail the thread, and I'm sure it has been answered and I've missed it, but does anyone know if Heatblur had a reason for choosing to model the -E over the -B or -J? Phantom carrier ops would be phenomenal. I know they've mentioned doing a Navy Phantom down the road, but given DCS development timelines I hope it happens before the expansion of the sun encapsulates Earth.

It was one of the biggest missed opportunities, but it was not surprising. A J or S would have made a mountain of sense, given the availability of multiple aircraft carriers and availability at land bases. Whether a proper Phantom doing what it was designed to do will come remains to be seen, but I have my doubts given the mountain of promises and vaporware. I'm actually skipping the F-4E model.

Edited May 17, 2024 by exhausted

[draconus]

9 hours ago, Oesau said:

love the idea of making it a hard  wing

Yeah, I especially liked the compromises and USAF vs USN part - nice job there. No gun ammo - problem solved

[PhantomHans]

15 hours ago, exhausted said:

Looking forward to the skins for this one. 

It was one of the biggest missed opportunities, but it was not surprising. A J or S would have made a mountain of sense, given the availability of multiple aircraft carriers and availability at land bases. Whether a proper Phantom doing what it was designed to do will come remains to be seen, but I have my doubts given the mountain of promises and vaporware. I'm actually skipping the F-4E model.

 

I pre-ordered the F-4E a long time ago, and TBH it along with the F-14 are probably the modules that finally convinced me to make the jump from the Wings Over Vietnam/Europe/ETC series by Third Wire and try out DCS.

Six months ago I would have been screaming and yelling that I wanted to see F-4B/C/DF/G/J/N/S/F-ICE variants as well and that I was ready to hand over my credit card for them immediately if they'd work on those modules.  Things are a little different now but since I'm stuck with it I'll see what I think of it when I finally get the F-4E to fly and go from there.

[bfr]

On 5/16/2024 at 10:09 PM, Oesau said:

I believe its due to the E model being the mostly widely exported and its associated combat making it more appealing to a wider audience I get it really - although I am a Navy Phantom lover and look forward to the day that we potentially see a J model.

 

Nice work so far @Reflected and love the idea of making it a hard  wing (tapped into the components model???) - looking forward to this

I'm sure they said the J would follow this as a module in its own right.  Like you say, E was a perfectly logical starting point given it was the model made in the greatest numbers.

[Volator]

@Reflected Will there also be a USAF "Red Flag" campaign for the F-4E at some point?

[Reflected]

1 hour ago, Volator said:

@Reflected Will there also be a USAF "Red Flag" campaign for the F-4E at some point?

I hope so - but likely not from me. I don't know much about REd Flags.

[Draken35]

Do not get me wrong, I'll get this campaign when released, but, I was wondering if you gave any consideration to the USAF Weapon School in an early post Vietnam war setting, 1972-1975, when the USAF had F-4E (the course for F-4 was added to the school in 1965, before the Navy's Fighter Weapon School) at Nellis AFB. The USAF WS increased the focus on A2A in the early 70's and used F-5 and T-38 as aggressor for that. Right planes, right bases, right services...  

Edited May 18, 2024 by Draken35

[Reflected]

15 hours ago, Draken35 said:

Do not get me wrong, I'll get this campaign when released, but, I was wondering if you gave any consideration to the USAF Weapon School in an early post Vietnam war setting, 1972-1975, when the USAF had F-4E (the course for F-4 was added to the school in 1965, before the Navy's Fighter Weapon School) at Nellis AFB. The USAF WS increased the focus on A2A in the early 70's and used F-5 and T-38 as aggressor for that. Right planes, right bases, right services...  

 

Yepp, I'll talk about this in an upcoming video. During my research I found plenty of info on Topgun lessons, but almost none on the USAF Weapons School. With no resources I can't make a campaign. That's one thing. The other thing is that Navy tactics taught at Topgun were decades ahead of USAF tactics of that era. I even had an USAF SME tell me I'd better make a Topgun campaign because the USAF WS would be much more boring.

[Draken35]

5 hours ago, Reflected said:

Yepp, I'll talk about this in an upcoming video. During my research I found plenty of info on Topgun lessons, but almost none on the USAF Weapons School. With no resources I can't make a campaign. That's one thing. The other thing is that Navy tactics taught at Topgun were decades ahead of USAF tactics of that era. I even had an USAF SME tell me I'd better make a Topgun campaign because the USAF WS would be much more boring.

Thanks!

[goot66]

hi - when is this campaign coming out?

[Reflected]

7 hours ago, goot66 said:

hi - when is this campaign coming out?

It's now submitted to ED so it's up to them.

[Reflected]

More details about the syllabus:
 

 

[Raisuli]

Oh, the horror!  A Navy livery on the F-4E.  I am morally indignant.  See the moral indignation?

Well, actually, Navy liveries are about the only kind I fly on the F-4E (and everything Navy has been downloaded) so I might not notice, but appropriate levels of trigger will occur when the campaign is released.

Now if HB would release the template...and the campaign. 

[VIKBELL]

cool.