waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[afnav130]

1 hour ago, wombat778 said:

That’s great actually. Tells me things are moving and not just in a stalemate.  Thank you.  
 

Orrrr..some things came to light that motivated a party to get moving...just wondering..

[nessuno0505]

3 ore fa, NineLine ha scritto:

I really can't go into details sadly, I really wish I could because you guys are hearing a lot of stuff that is leading you on wild goose chases. A lot of what I am seeing out there in the wild is just a hint of what is going on without the real deep details. Sorry.

That's more than I expected and I greatly appreciate.

[Guest]

50 minutes ago, afnav130 said:

Orrrr..some things came to light that motivated a party to get moving...just wondering..

I’m honestly not interested in WHY things are moving, just that they are.  I’m leaving the internal crap for the companies to sort out between themselves and just focusing on when we can start seeing updates to our Razbam modules again.  

[NineLine]

1 hour ago, afnav130 said:

Orrrr..some things came to light that motivated a party to get moving...just wondering..

As I said, please don't dabble in conspiracy theories. They will not get you any answers you want. 

[afnav130]

12 minutes ago, NineLine said:

As I said, please don't dabble in conspiracy theories. They will not get you any answers you want. 

How is it a conspiracy theory if it is factual information? I read it with my own eyes. So I am supposed think that what I read wasn't what I read? 

Edited July 16, 2024 by afnav130

[Smashy]

46 minutes ago, afnav130 said:

How is it a conspiracy theory if it is factual information? I read it with my own eyes. So I am supposed think that what I read wasn't what I read? 

 

I read a conspiracy theory with my own eyes.  Turns out it was a conspiracy theory.

[Hammer1-1]

56 minutes ago, afnav130 said:

How is it a conspiracy theory if it is factual information? I read it with my own eyes. So I am supposed think that what I read wasn't what I read? 

 

probably because you pulled an assumption out of a simple statement and presenting it as fact?

[afnav130]

29 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

probably because you pulled an assumption out of a simple statement and presenting it as fact?

Umm a conversation between two individuals, fairly lengthy with principles talking to each other isn't factual? In fact that would easily be admitted into court as evidence. So yeah I don't understand what you are talking about.

[Hammer1-1]

3 hours ago, afnav130 said:

Orrrr..some things came to light that motivated a party to get moving...just wondering..

 

1 hour ago, afnav130 said:

How is it a conspiracy theory if it is factual information? I read it with my own eyes. So I am supposed think that what I read wasn't what I read? 

 

 

5 hours ago, afnav130 said:

I haven't been paying too much attention but just yesterday saw the "conversation". Makes things a whole lot clearer. A whole lot.

seems obvious to me that you do. unless said conversation happens to be between Razbam and ED, then maybe its not a legit argument and we can stop making illicit assumptions, K?

[afnav130]

3 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

 

 

seems obvious to me that you do. unless said conversation happens to be between Razbam and ED, then maybe its not a legit argument and we can stop making illicit assumptions, K?

Wait so something that would be admitted in court, and a conversation between two parties about a third party isn't relevant? It's only relevant if you don't want to read something that goes against what you believe. Which this seems to be exactly that. 

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, afnav130 said:

In fact that would easily be admitted into court as evidence.

As a technical matter, it would probably be inadmissible in court as hearsay, speculative and potentially irrelevant.

[Smashy]

11 minutes ago, wombat778 said:

As a technical matter, it would probably be inadmissible in court as hearsay, speculative and potentially irrelevant.

Wait.  So reading Internet gossip between unverifiable participants would not be allowed in court?  I demand justice.

[Beirut]

The radar works. 

 

My patience has been made drastically more patient. 

[afnav130]

1 hour ago, Smashy said:

Wait.  So reading Internet gossip between unverifiable participants would not be allowed in court?  I demand justice.

Would text messages between parties that aren't to or from the third party not be allowed? There was a court case in MA just a few weeks ago that texts between two friends about a third party was entered into evidence. Methinks nobody knows the law around here. Just admit you don't want to hear or see anything that would contradict your strong, and quite frankly, unhealthy viewpoints. 

 

People do realize I am referencing the Skype conversation right? Not some banter between posters on a forum. 

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, afnav130 said:

Would text messages between parties that aren't to or from the third party not be allowed?

No. It would be hearsay.  Hearsay is an out of court statement offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted.  In this case, that conversation is not made in court, and would have no relevance except to try and prove that what is described is true. That’s hearsay.  Besides, the messages themselves don’t actually assert much of anything other than speculation, hence speculative.  Finally, a gossipy conversation between Party A and Party B is not particularly relevant to prove what happened between Party A and Party C.  Hence irrelevant. All of that is even assuming you could prove the genuineness of the conversation. 
 

Edited July 17, 2024 by wombat778

[Smashy]

1 hour ago, afnav130 said:

Just admit you don't want to hear or see anything that would contradict your strong, and quite frankly, unhealthy viewpoints. 

Objection!  Projection, your honor.

[Slippa]

Overruled.

Court will adjourn for lunch. To the pub. For a weekend lock-in.

[Hammer1-1]

6 hours ago, afnav130 said:

Wait so something that would be admitted in court, and a conversation between two parties about a third party isn't relevant? It's only relevant if you don't want to read something that goes against what you believe. Which this seems to be exactly that. 

If it isnt of BOTH parties in the dispute having a conversation about this topic, it IS hearsay. not relevant, certainly inadmissible as evidence. you know, kinda like certain events would have you believe it was staged but theres zero evidence that supports the claim other than "I saw a conversation". doesnt make it true either.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

The first rule of thumb of any issue on the internet: You should always be skeptical of official statements that have been released.

The second rule of thumb is to not even allow the input from the peanut gallery to even enter into your consideration.

[Horns]

10 hours ago, afnav130 said:

Would text messages between parties that aren't to or from the third party not be allowed? There was a court case in MA just a few weeks ago that texts between two friends about a third party was entered into evidence. Methinks nobody knows the law around here. Just admit you don't want to hear or see anything that would contradict your strong, and quite frankly, unhealthy viewpoints. 

 

People do realize I am referencing the Skype conversation right? Not some banter between posters on a forum. 

You've pushed your own barrow pretty hard here too. Confirmation bias is a thing.

[SkateZilla]

20 hours ago, NineLine said:

IMHO, the noise I am hearing recently, I am more hopeful today than maybe I was last week. I know that's a cheap and slim answer, and I wish I could tell more. 

I really can't go into details sadly, I really wish I could because you guys are hearing a lot of stuff that is leading you on wild goose chases. A lot of what I am seeing out there in the wild is just a hint of what is going on without the real deep details. Sorry.

I've blocked reddit in my router, and the expansion of my grey hair seems to have slowed.

[Schmidtfire]

45 minutes ago, SkateZilla said:

I've blocked reddit in my router, and the expansion of my grey hair seems to have slowed.

Have you read that Skype conversation? For the first time in over 10 years, I'm actually worried for DCS as a platform.
Maybe it's all wild goose chases, but things has been kind of weird the last few months. Including almost non-existent promotion materials for Afghanistan, Chinook and FC2024.

These past months has just been awful, not only for the players but for DCS as a platform. Hopefully the dust will settle and things return to normal. 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Schmidtfire said:

Have you read that Skype conversation? For the first time in over 10 years, I'm actually worried for DCS as a platform.

That's fair.  But I do take some comfort from the fact that (i) the conversation occurred several months ago, (ii) since then one of the two parties to that conversation released a very major product for DCS, and (iii) that product appears to be receiving timely and extensive updates.  As that party surely has more information about the situation than we do (and a lot more to lose than we do) if the situation is good enough for them to plow full steam ahead it's good enough for me.

[freehand]

22 minutes ago, Schmidtfire said:

Have you read that Skype conversation? For the first time in over 10 years, I'm actually worried for DCS as a platform.
Maybe it's all wild goose chases, but things has been kind of weird the last few months. Including almost non-existent promotion materials for Afghanistan, Chinook and FC2024.

These past months has just been awful, not only for the players but for DCS as a platform. Hopefully the dust will settle and things return to normal. 

I am not worried in the slightest ED will solider on what ever happens.

[SkateZilla]

31 minutes ago, Schmidtfire said:

Have you read that Skype conversation? For the first time in over 10 years, I'm actually worried for DCS as a platform.
Maybe it's all wild goose chases, but things has been kind of weird the last few months. Including almost non-existent promotion materials for Afghanistan, Chinook and FC2024.

These past months has just been awful, not only for the players but for DCS as a platform. Hopefully the dust will settle and things return to normal. 

Skype conversations are about as official as my text message conversations with my Ex.

You should read the Skype conversations from when I was working with Thirdwire and Turn10... lol.

That fact that someone recovered another user's conversation is one more reason Skype needed to die the insecure death it did, 

Move on to MS Teams.. Skype is dead.