waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[draconus]

5 hours ago, Goetsch said:

My comment was made after RB asked ED to take down the F15E statement, which means my suggestion was in line with RB's expectations. Still, my comment was blocked, even by some people I know who agree with this view. So I think it's unbelievable, for a PR move.

Idk what statement it was but you wrote earlier that it was for "for advising people not to buy RB products" which by itself is a very good reason to block account by the developer but I understand that they were sending mixed signals

Edited October 8, 2024 by draconus

[Oban]

I think most people here, and customers in general are now bored of the current situation, nothing will be resolved this year, and the longer it's dragged out, the less chance of a favourable ending.


 

[draconus]

1 hour ago, Oban said:

I think most people here, and customers in general are now bored of the current situation, nothing will be resolved this year, and the longer it's dragged out, the less chance of a favourable ending.

Quite contrary - the longer it takes the closer we are to the resolution

[Mizzy]

8 hours ago, Goetsch said:

I was blackballed by Ron at the time for advising people not to buy RB products for the time being until the ED/RB issue is resolved, so I can't see what he's tweeting now .....

 

You are not missing anything, just a lot of hot air trust me. You get banned very easily on their Discord and the Exposed crappy Reddit site. Shows how intolerant he is.  

Mizzy

[Koty]

8 hours ago, Goetsch said:

I was blackballed by Ron at the time for advising people not to buy RB products for the time being until the ED/RB issue is resolved, so I can't see what he's tweeting now .....

 

That is kinda strange, considering that's like what most people agree on on the RB discord. I guess it's just Ron being Ron...

[stonewall197922]

15 минут назад, Mizzy сказал:

You are not missing anything, just a lot of hot air trust me. You get banned very easily on their Discord and the Exposed crappy Reddit site. Shows how intolerant he is.  

Mizzy

Naming people "ED funboy", just for their point of view and banning them after that. That is exactly RB  manipulating by community. Why should i buy RB modules if they reject to support existed ones especially which i paid for? No support= no money!

Edited October 8, 2024 by stonewall197922

[Koty]

10 minutes ago, Mizzy said:

(...) You get banned very easily on their Discord and the Exposed crappy Reddit site. Shows how intolerant he is.  

Mizzy

This is simply not true. It's no easier than getting banned off the dcs forum, or ED discord. The rule is very simple, do not try and rile people up just for the sake of it.
Also not sure why you'd conflate the dcs exposed subreddit with rb cord.

[Hammer1-1]

6 minutes ago, Koty said:

This is simply not true. It's no easier than getting banned off the dcs forum, or ED discord. The rule is very simple, do not try and rile people up just for the sake of it.
Also not sure why you'd conflate the dcs exposed subreddit with rb cord.

Yeah? Try critiquing their work.

[Oban]

24 minutes ago, Mizzy said:

You are not missing anything, just a lot of hot air trust me. You get banned very easily on their Discord and the Exposed crappy Reddit site. Shows how intolerant he is.  

Mizzy

The toxicity on these sub platforms is horrendous, makes you wonder why they all spend that much time and effort hating a sim so much, that they simply don't delete it, and go elsewhere?

[Koty]

9 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Yeah? Try critiquing their work.

I mean, I personally have a free pass on it 
But no, plenty people do that. It's just normal feedback.

But there's a difference between critique and flaming. And while the latter gets you banned off any -cord, I mostly see people leaving the RB cord off thier own decision after they realise people don't agree with them.

 

EDIT: (Yes, sometimes mods get trigger happy, but it's not like it goes unnoticed. I should also note that for the past couple months, we had people joining with the sole purpose of riling the mods into banning them, just so they could go cry elsewhere about it; I sincerely wish people would stop doing that.)

Edited October 8, 2024 by Koty

[NineLine]

Just a reminder, this thread is to discuss what is known which is listed in the first post here. Everything else is not welcome here and just clouds an already frustrating issue. Thanks. 

[Devil 505]

10 hours ago, Flia said:

Ron Zambrano and his Razbam  will not be remembered well. Not by me. And I write this as the owner of all Razbam modules.

SPARTANS! What is your profession!!!!! 

[Mizzy]

5 hours ago, Oban said:

The toxicity on these sub platforms is horrendous, makes you wonder why they all spend that much time and effort hating a sim so much, that they simply don't delete it, and go elsewhere?

One of the posts here has just been removed along with my response, but that was a good example of the toxicity on the said platforms and brought here. I haven't posted on the said sites myself, I just read hatred. Getting back on track, looks like an 'official' statement is coming from Zambrano 'soon' whatever that means. Just my opinion but I suspect another hot air post. 

Mizzy

[SkateZilla]

Edited: Retracting Post as not to derail the thread.

Edited October 8, 2024 by SkateZilla

[Oban]

One of my concerns with this regarding the situation is that a couple of the RB Devs who were not paid by RB due to the current issue, and then went on with a very clear agenda to damage the relationship between ED and their customer base by publically releasing "selective" conversations on those said platforms, who also clearly and publically stated they'd never again work on anything related to ED again, so how would it be possible to continue the F15E's development without them onboard?

 

[exhausted]

6 hours ago, NineLine said:

Just a reminder, this thread is to discuss what is known which is listed in the first post here. Everything else is not welcome here and just clouds an already frustrating issue. Thanks. 

Please clarify: I know that Razbam is being trashed all the time in this thread, but does this mean that if there was an equal thing said about ED then it would not be allowed?

Edited October 9, 2024 by exhausted

[Oban]

53 minutes ago, exhausted said:

Please clarify: I know that Razbam is being trashed all the time in this thread, but does this mean that if there was an equal thing said about ED then it would not be allowed?

 

ED has been "trashed" as you call it on numerous pages within this thread, especially with regards to the refund policy, once again you engage in hyperbole, by stating Razbam are getting trashed ALL THE TIME in this thread, it's obvious even to Stevie Wonder that you're stirring the pot...again.

[Ignition]

On 10/7/2024 at 9:04 PM, Oban said:

Why not? It hasn't changed, it's still good to fly, all that's happened is the roadmap has stalled, nothing else.

 

 

23 hours ago, Devil 505 said:

I feel like you were abused or neglected as a kid with a statement like this.  You're telling me there is not a single module in DCS OTHER than the F-15E that gets you fired up.  Thats like having access to Hugh Hefners mansion whenever you want and walking in going well, Pamela's not here so I am out.  

Hope this video helps you look through a different lens.  Someone just posted this 8 days ago and I want to hop into DCS right now and I do not care what I fly.  Helps that I own all of them though.

 

I already learned the F-16C after 4 years flying it. The next was going to be the F-15E. No there's no other aircraft which I enjoy to learn. I'm flying the AH-64D since the development of the F-15E stopped but it's just a temporary solution.

That video is one of the worst of that channel.

[scommander2]

1 hour ago, Ignition said:

I'm flying the AH-64D since the development of the F-15E stopped but it's just a temporary solution.

Yes, I concur it.  Spending time on learning other planes while waiting for 2 weeks and another 2 weeks (going)   

[Devil 505]

2 hours ago, Ignition said:

That video is one of the worst of that channel.

I remember my first beer. 

[NineLine]

4 hours ago, exhausted said:

Please clarify: I know that Razbam is being trashed all the time in this thread, but does this mean that if there was an equal thing said about ED then it would not be allowed?

 

Please stop, people on both sides have received warnings and had posts removed, I am trying to let it be as free as possible for both. You only see your own warnings and your own removed posts. Don't assume one way or the other. If you see something that you feel is not fitting, then report the post. If you can't find a bad opinion against ED in this thread, or the thread where the hundreds of other messages were moved then you probably are not looking hard enough. 

So once again, this thread is for discussion of the original post in this thread which is all the official info we currently know. 

[Goetsch]

21 hours ago, draconus said:

Idk what statement it was but you wrote earlier that it was for "for advising people not to buy RB products" which by itself is a very good reason to block account by the developer but I understand that they were sending mixed signals

 

It's easy to miss out on a lot if you only follow the ED forums.

My point is, don't buy one until the ED/RB conflict is resolved, it's highly unethical to encourage a purchase when the F-15E is riddled with bugs and could be out of updates for years or permanently, and I'm sure most people here agree with that sentiment.

Of course I can understand if the above point is a valid reason for RB to pull the plug on me as you claim, but I think it's an extremely unprofessional PR move.

 

 

 

Edited October 9, 2024 by Goetsch

[draconus]

7 hours ago, Oban said:

One of my concerns with this regarding the situation is that a couple of the RB Devs who were not paid by RB due to the current issue, and then went on with a very clear agenda to damage the relationship between ED and their customer base by publically releasing "selective" conversations on those said platforms, who also clearly and publically stated they'd never again work on anything related to ED again, so how would it be possible to continue the F15E's development without them onboard?

Easy - these were probably hot air posts mostly, then we're back to business, money is needed, passion may come back later. And who said it has to be the same people?

30 minutes ago, Goetsch said:

My point is, don't buy one until the ED/RB conflict is resolved, it's highly unethical to encourage a purchase when the F-15E is riddled with bugs and could be out of updates for years or permanently, and I'm sure most people here agree with that sentiment.

It's your opinion, fine. I otoh encourage to buy the module anyone who like the aircraft because it's very good module in absolutely good condition. And only about 26% refunded the Eagle according to my forum poll.

[stonewall197922]

8 часов назад, Oban сказал:

by publically releasing "selective" conversations

I tend not to belive anything but official statement. Only company management knows whole thruth. And those posts by "Devs" is miningless babble and manipulation by comunity. Ron`s discord post contains practically nothing. If you accusing someone of something, so lay facts on table. Why other side stoped payments? What accusations are? Those "RB Dev`s" released several times copies of "supposed agreement" between ED and RB and thats  is violation of terms of confidiality of the agreement. Releasing agreement terms without other side`s consent is enough reason to break the agreement or litigation. The only adecuate situation explanation is NineLine`s post. This is fight between ED and RB. But suspending support is a huge strike at RB`s reputation amongst customers. 

Edited October 9, 2024 by stonewall197922

[Koty]

1 hour ago, stonewall197922 said:

I tend not to belive anything but official statement. Only company management knows whole thruth. And those posts by "Devs" is miningless babble and manipulation by comunity. Ron`s discord post contains practically nothing. If you accusing someone of something, so lay facts on table. Why other side stoped payments? What accusations are? Those "RB Dev`s" released several times copies of "supposed agreement" between ED and RB and thats  is violation of terms of confidiality of the agreement. Releasing agreement terms without other side`s consent is enough reason to break the agreement or litigation. The only adecuate situation explanation is NineLine`s post. This is fight between ED and RB. But suspending support is a huge strike at RB`s reputation amongst customers. 

 

To be fair, even without going into the whats and whys, are people really expecting the modules to be supported for free?

That said, yes, sticking to official announcements is good. As opposed to some people believing information that does not come even from the "unofficial" conversations, and is just pure fabrication.