Patch discussion September 2024

[Cab]

1 minute ago, westr said:

Thanks for taking the time to share this. Your PC is similar spec to mine but your graphics card is stronger. Can you maintain a solid 45fps with these settings and how does your antialiasing look on your external views? 
 

I’ve always found MSAA really taxing on my setup with the G2 and I actually find MFAA looks better for me personally. 
 

Also do you not experience any of the random drops in frame time that some have been experiencing and have to alt tab or alt enter to re-establish your frame times? 

thanks 

My FPS is a solid 60. I haven't really been paying attention to external views, sorry.

I've just been using MSAA x2 and was able to go up to x4 with the latest update. I'm going to be trying DLAA next time I fly.

No, I don't experience those drops anymore after the update.

[westr]

6 minutes ago, Cab said:

My FPS is a solid 60. I haven't really been paying attention to external views, sorry.

I've just been using MSAA x2 and was able to go up to x4 with the latest update. I'm going to be trying DLAA next time I fly.

No, I don't experience those drops anymore after the update.

I can only assume that your graphics card is giving you the extra performance does your card have the 24gb VRAM? 
 

otherwise I can’t see anything your doing that’s that dissimilar to my setup for dcs. 
Motion vector is something that I run with which does restrict me to 45fps but I do see a performance boost when I run with it. 

[Cab]

16 minutes ago, westr said:

I can only assume that your graphics card is giving you the extra performance does your card have the 24gb VRAM? 
 

otherwise I can’t see anything your doing that’s that dissimilar to my setup for dcs. 
Motion vector is something that I run with which does restrict me to 45fps but I do see a performance boost when I run with it. 

Quite likely. But I think the key point is I got a pretty big performance boost after this upgrade.

[toni]

do we need to send to desk the bin exe file everytime we update ?

[westr]

1 hour ago, Cab said:

Quite likely. But I think the key point is I got a pretty big performance boost after this upgrade.

Yeah when I say extra performance I meant added performance compared to my setup. Because I was talking about me maintaining 45fps with most modules which normally gives me a smooth experience and you experiencing a solid 60 plus fps. Unless you’re saying that you’ve received a 15fps boost just from this update which would be unlikely? I’m assuming you’ve noticed a smaller improvement but none the less an improvement? 

[rob10]

56 minutes ago, toni said:

do we need to send to desk the bin exe file everytime we update ?

If you have a shortcut to the .exe on your desktop you shouldn't ever need to change it (unless you move your DCS).  Only caveat with this is if you're pointed to the one in the MT bin folder, at some point you may need to change it to point at the straight DCS bin folder when ED removes the MT bin folder.

[scommander2]

3 hours ago, Cab said:

It’s hard to know what makes a difference sometimes. There are so many variables with all the settings to the game and PC, combined with the effects of mods, it’s hard to know what’s relevant. Personally, I’m always trying new things people recommend for increasing performance.

Thanks for sharing and it is very useful.

[MAXsenna]

do we need to send to desk the bin exe file everytime we update ?

Hi toni! Go to the bin folder. Start DCS.exe. When the icon shows on your Taskbar. Right click and pin it. That's all you need.

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[Cab]

2 hours ago, westr said:

Yeah when I say extra performance I meant added performance compared to my setup. Because I was talking about me maintaining 45fps with most modules which normally gives me a smooth experience and you experiencing a solid 60 plus fps. Unless you’re saying that you’ve received a 15fps boost just from this update which would be unlikely? I’m assuming you’ve noticed a smaller improvement but none the less an improvement? 

I can’t quantify the improvement in FPS because I was already at 60. But I was able to increase settings for a better experience and still maintain that same 60 FPS. Something I was unable to do before the patch. 

[Miro]

For me DCS performs worse in heavy missions (600-1200 units) after last update, FPS are good, but trackir going laggy what is strange... I fly only Phantom, so i dont't know it's DCS or Phantom related.

Edited October 5 by Miro

[rhoady]

On 9/30/2024 at 6:39 AM, BIGNEWY said:

Some detail for:

Fixed main cannon armor (problem was in cases where cannon was taking some weapons damage and tank was surviving direct hits):

T155 Firtina
M4 Sherman
PzIVH
T-72B3 (+ wheels and optics armor adjustments)
Sturmpanzer IV Brummbar
M12 GMC
Wespe124
Centaur IV
Churchill VII (+ wheels adjustment)
Cromwell IV
Jagdpanther G1
Jagdpanzer IV
M10 GMC
M4A4 Sherman Firefly (+ turret adjustment)
Pz.Kpfw.V Panther Ausf.G
Sd.Kfz.184 Elefant
Stug III
Stug IV
Tiger I
Tiger II

M1 Abrams family - side skirts armor adjustments, external optics armor adjustments, lower and upper frontal plates and wheels armor adjustments.
Leopard 2 family - Turret and wheels armor adjustments

What does this translate to for the Abrams and Leopards? Are they now able to take tank rounds from T-55/T-72s without being destroyed in one shot?

[59th_Spy]

The big path at monday was great for me. No crash in F10, the sights was much sharper and the fps was even higher.
After the hotfix those are gone. 
What have done BIGNEW?!
That is worse now then before the hotfix. The sights is softer and I have fps drop when switch back from F10. 
It seems to me this hotfix a older version of the DCS. 
 

[jackill]

After quick testing it looks better in my case.I checked with Spitfire instant action mission for Normandy - Squadron Scramble (bombers intercept over London).

Before update I had either terrible drops when inside bombers formation (wake turbulence enabled) or crash to desktop. After update it went much more smoother barely dropped from 60 fps when bombing started. Needs more testing though.

[scommander2]

6 hours ago, 59th_Spy said:

That is worse now then before the hotfix.

Thanks, and it is that I am wondering why my FPS has been dropped suddenly after applied the hotfix. 

[Qcumber]

I've spent about 12-15 hours with the latest update and overall the performance in VR has improved. Not necessarily in terms of FPS but smoother and better visuals. DLSS seems to work a lot better. I have been using DLSS 3.7.20 and preset F in the previous DCS version so the only change is the DCS update. Has there been more DLSS optimisation? 

I have not tested all maps and modules yet but most are better. Unfortunately the F4 feels a bit worse in VR. I keep getting freezes which I think might be related to VRAM overflow as the VRAM usage maxes out then stays stuck until I close and restart DCS. I will try to attach a log tomorrow. 

[SKYWARRIOR]

On 10/2/2024 at 11:36 AM, draconus said:

Just to make sure... DCS was downloading at 9.8Mbps = ~1.2MB/s?

 

Hi, Thank you for your reply but I am not sure what you mean. It does download at this speed because when I have an update of any consequence it's about 2 hours  and the full game is 5 1/2 hours  so I go to bed in the meantime. This is annoying to say the least because in the event of an update I cannot join a Multiplayer server and if this is noticed at the last minute thats me out and go the way until the next day . I fly from UK with USA and Canadian friends so if I start at 11.30 pm it's their late afternoon . Thank you for the reply David

[draconus]

5 minutes ago, SKYWARRIOR said:

It does download at this speed

Talk to your provider or check some vpn next time. Looks like some routing or bandwidth limiting problem. Even I get 1.8MB/s from DCS on 12Mpbs connection and others report fully utilising their fiber-optics.

[SKYWARRIOR]

Yes I have spoken at length to my ISP ZEN Internet and they were very helpful and in testing proved they can do nothing to help. The speed in the screenshot is always available to my house and my I Mac in the office  but even though I am cabled to the wall connection it's as described above. DCS have given me a test of server connections to try and see where the squeeze is on its way to me but I have yet to sort out the connections required to do it . My basic question was aimed at UK standard fibre users if they had the same or even glass ( not available until later in the year except with one provider who I dont want ) but if the problems outside its not going to be solvable with glass anyway ?

 Thank you 

David 

[Delta-canard]

I may have missed some obvious things as I was away from the sim and my computer for most of the summer but I still feel my performance took a hit, I have more stutters and certainly no major progress in fps, it is about 60 if everything is fine, more like 40 with spikes in m/s per frame and stutters in more challenging moments. Not sure how to alter my settings in order to get some benefit from the new patch. Also, it seems the loss of the OpenXR Toolkit does bring a hit (I've been using fixed foveated rendering). I'm running a 5800X (not 3D), a 6900XT and a Reverb G2.

[sleighzy]

1 hour ago, Delta-canard said:

Also, it seems the loss of the OpenXR Toolkit does bring a hit

No loss of OpenXR Toolkit, you can still use this. If you instead switch to using QuadViews (as a number of us have for some time) then you can still use Fixed Foveated Rendering using quad views instead, with potentially a greater performance bump for you. Just install the Quad-Views-Foveated API layer, and then tick the "Quad Views" box in DCS under the VR tab. You can disable the OpenXR Toolkit as it will no longer be needed.

Edited October 8 by sleighzy

[5ephir0th]

I dont know hoy you guys got a big gain on quadviews, maybe i get a lower gpu frametime but the increase in cpu one is insane

[Qcumber]

8 hours ago, 5ephir0th said:

I dont know hoy you guys got a big gain on quadviews, maybe i get a lower gpu frametime but the increase in cpu one is insane

You already have a 4090 so combined with a 13600 you will not likely see much gain. QVFR works better when you have lots of CPU headroom. I see a big improvement with my setup. 

[Bucic]

Jest updated after some 3 months 16 GB it was for me.

[Delta-canard]

23 hours ago, sleighzy said:

No loss of OpenXR Toolkit, you can still use this. If you instead switch to using QuadViews (as a number of us have for some time) then you can still use Fixed Foveated Rendering using quad views instead, with potentially a greater performance bump for you. Just install the Quad-Views-Foveated API layer, and then tick the "Quad Views" box in DCS under the VR tab. You can disable the OpenXR Toolkit as it will no longer be needed.

 

Does it still work with the non-omnicept G2?

[Boosterdog]

On 10/7/2024 at 11:16 AM, SKYWARRIOR said:

Yes I have spoken at length to my ISP ZEN Internet and they were very helpful and in testing proved they can do nothing to help. The speed in the screenshot is always available to my house and my I Mac in the office  but even though I am cabled to the wall connection it's as described above. DCS have given me a test of server connections to try and see where the squeeze is on its way to me but I have yet to sort out the connections required to do it . My basic question was aimed at UK standard fibre users if they had the same or even glass ( not available until later in the year except with one provider who I dont want ) but if the problems outside its not going to be solvable with glass anyway ?

 Thank you 

David 

I think you may be getting your bits and bytes mixed up.  The DCS updater shows speed in MB/s (megabytes/second). Your download speed is shown in Mbps (Megabits/second). There's 8 bits in a byte. So what you are seeing (9.8 MB/s) is about right.  

Your download/upload was broadly similar to mine (70 down, 17 up). I swiitched to gig fibre and the download speed increased accordingly (around 117 MB/s). 

Edited October 9 by Boosterdog