A-10A Full Fidelity

[Lixma 06]

Continuing the the spirit of FC aircraft being promoted to FF standards I think the original Warthog would be a popular addition.

[bies]

Yes, full fidelity analog A-10A from Cold War and Desert Storm (pre-LASTE modernization) would be awesome with Fulda Gap and Iraq maps.

No boring, hard to remeber, electronic procedures and standoff weapon - but just pure adrenaline, piloting skills and fun, flying between the trees, manually aiming guns, rockets, dumb bombs, Mavericks when dodging Soviet AAA, Cold War Gone Hot!

 

One of many A-10A rquests, with cool video:

 

[Supernova-III]

but what stops you from using A-10C as simpler attack aircraft? Just don't use guided weapons and targeting pod. Or maybe it kills the vibe for you?

[bies]

1 hour ago, Supernova-III said:

but what stops you from using A-10C as simpler attack aircraft? Just don't use guided weapons and targeting pod. Or maybe it kills the vibe for you?

Impossible in practice, even the siplest things like when you just select the gun, or rockets or bombs CCIP computer is automatically engaged. You're obliged to know MFD functions and logic to even manage the weapon, automatic trim systems is permanently active and many, many more. You just can't.

"Artificially restricting yourself" is ruining the immersion.

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And it's worth remembering that in any simulator, or a game, or a movie, immersion is EVERYTHING, it's what makes it enjoyable at all. Without immersion, you would constantly think you're just pointlessly looking at some idiotic set of pixels in front of you like some moron, and it would give you absolutely zero joy.

The only real reason such thing as computer games, or flight simulators, or movies are enjoyable AT ALL is immersion. Without it, man wouldn't be able to enjoy it even a for minute; it would feel like 100% pointless and empty waste of time. That's why immersion is so important , that's why e.g. people are so amazed by VR despite it's higher requirement and price, becuase it help you immerse more, because that's how the human brain works.

Edited January 20 by bies

[YoYo]

18 hours ago, Lixma 06 said:

Continuing the the spirit of FC aircraft being promoted to FF standards I think the original Warthog would be a popular addition.

Very possible, although I hope that the third in line (after the MiG-29A and F-15C) will be the Su-25A.

[Lace]

Hell yes.  A must for central Germany & Iraq.

[Lixma 06]

2 hours ago, YoYo said:

Very possible, although I hope that the third in line (after the MiG-29A and F-15C) will be the Su-25A.

If it was up to me I'd go for the Su-25, but I think the hurdles preventing a FFFrogfoot remain in place.

[Supernova-III]

2 hours ago, YoYo said:

will be the Su-25A.

[MAXsenna]

Very possible, although I hope that the third in line (after the MiG-29A and F-15C) will be the Su-25A.

We can hope, while I believe it will be the Su-27. Money you know.

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[upyr1]

On 1/20/2025 at 3:26 AM, Supernova-III said:

but what stops you from using A-10C as simpler attack aircraft? Just don't use guided weapons and targeting pod. Or maybe it kills the vibe for you?

Nothing stops us from doing that except we want the correct cockpit for the full A-10A experience 

[Supernova-III]

11 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

Nothing stops us from doing that except we want the correct cockpit for the full A-10A experience 

makes sense!

[Lace]

Having spent several hours this weekend over Fulda in the FC3 A-10A all I can say is, please please please consider a FF A-10A!  The aircraft was literally made for this map.

[MBot]

Yes, a period correct A-10A would be great for the Fulda Gap. Truly an icon of the era. No computerized pipper, no gun stabilization, old TV-Mavericks. Heatblur's F-4E shows how challenging aiming Mavericks with no ground stabilization was (even the AGM-65D). Compared to that, locking Mavericks in the FC A-10A feels like magic.

A 1980s A-10A really seems like a long hanging fruit at this point.

[Mr_sukebe]

Can’t you just fly the C without the JCHMS, targeting pods and guided weapons?  
IIRC the airframe and engines weren’t upgraded.

[MBot]

Just the way you target the Mavericks is a world of difference. Try it in the F-4E, it's actually pretty difficult.

Also to fly the A-10C imagining an early A-10A you might just as well fly on the Caucasus map imagining it is Germany...

[Mr_sukebe]

29 minutes ago, MBot said:

Just the way you target the Mavericks is a world of difference. Try it in the F-4E, it's actually pretty difficult.

Also to fly the A-10C imagining an early A-10A you might just as well fly on the Caucasus map imagining it is Germany...

From a quick check, both the A10A and A10C can carry the AGM-65D.  Doesn't that mean that the methodology used in the A10C will be the full fidelity version?

[MBot]

5 minutes ago, Mr_sukebe said:

From a quick check, both the A10A and A10C can carry the AGM-65D.  Doesn't that mean that the methodology used in the A10C will be the full fidelity version?

In the F-4E, which also has AGM-65D (in addition to TV AGM-65A and B), the seeker is not supported by any aircraft avionics and thus is not ground stabilized or can be cued in any form. That means the seeker can only be slewed in relation to the aircraft, requiring flying very precise and stable before attempting a lock-on. Then Heatblur has also improved the realism of the lock-on process. The target has actually to be fully within the tracking gate before a successful lock-on can be attempted (while at least in the FC A-10A it will magically snap to the nearest target). In the Phantom, this makes the whole process of using Mavericks a lot more challenging and quite satisfying. I would like to have the same experience with a contemporary early A-10A.

[Dr_Pavelheer]

@Mr_sukebeOG A10A is closer to F5 we have in game in terms of avionics than A10C

[Lace]

15 hours ago, Mr_sukebe said:

Can’t you just fly the C without the JCHMS, targeting pods and guided weapons?  
IIRC the airframe and engines weren’t upgraded.

Of course you can substitute a lot of things in DCS.  It's not the same thing though.  The cockpit is very different and those big full-colour MFDs feel so out of place in a 1980s setting.

 

[Gunfreak]

I have made a few desert storm missions with the 10C. And 10A skin and it's okish. Just like it's okish to fly an F16C with just AIM-9Ls and pretend it's a F16A block 10. But it's not really good enough. Especially if you want a full blown campaign. 

[Lace]

I found this for the upgrade program from A to C

[Mr_sukebe]

All fair comments guys.

I was just guessing that the A10c with dumb weapons would be closer (from a flight perspective) to a full fidelity A10A than the FC3 version that we have.

 

 

[Ignition]

If I'm not mistaken there's a fixed reticle for gun and rockets, but it was a long time ago I flew the A-10C so I may be wrong.

It's also posible to disable the PAC or rather not enable it.

From the MFD there's no escape though.

[Ramius007]

On 4/21/2025 at 11:22 AM, Gunfreak said:

I have made a few desert storm missions with the 10C. And 10A skin and it's okish. Just like it's okish to fly an F16C with just AIM-9Ls and pretend it's a F16A block 10. But it's not really good enough. Especially if you want a full blown campaign. 

You cant remove datalink from Viper or Hornet, this thing alone make them not fitting any pre L16 conficts in any realistic manner, especially late CW scenarios, also F-16C blk 50 we have, is lacking a lot of earlier F-16 weapons, like older cluster bombs or Mavericks A&B, same happening with both FC 10A and FF A-10C

[PLAAF]

+1
I wish we could bring all FC modules to FF standards.