ruprecht Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Curious as to who's using what sort of trim in DCS. I've reverted to the old 1.0.0 system. DCS Wishlist: | Navy F-14 | Navy F/A-18 | AH-6 | Navy A-6 | Official Navy A-4 | Carrier Ops | Dynamic Campaign | Marine AH-1 | Streaming DCS sometimes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obiwan Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I'm undecided yet. There a couple occasions where the trimmer didn't give me aircraft control until I moved the joystick some more and then back to center. I'm almost tempted to go back to 1.0, but I do remember the jerking, which seems less with the new trimmer. I shall vote once I have made up my mind :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge55 Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I'm using the new trimmer method, it's working well for me. Still can't fly that good but it seems smoother and I can get into a hover easier. Of course that could just be because I've been practicing more and it has nothing to do with the trim method. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] i7 10700K OC 5.1GHZ / 500GB SSD & 1TB M:2 & 4TB HDD / MSI Gaming MB / GTX 1080 / 32GB RAM / Win 10 / TrackIR 4 Pro / CH Pedals / TM Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
methods Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I like the new trim. I do forget to recenter the stick from time to time when shit is going down though... :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeroscout Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) lol, sorry I had to be the one to vote for the last option To be honest, I don't trim unless I absolutely have to. It's just another thing to worry about. I always have a hand on the stick anyway, even if it is my left. Center stick's are wonderful! ;) Of the 2 methods however, I like the new one better, though it is annoying when you don't actually center it and there's no control over the aircraft! That usually results in a large "Crunch!" :D Aero Edited August 24, 2009 by Aeroscout DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connos Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 After a lot of flying, testing the new Trim method i really liked it and use it. The flying became more enjoyable and stable. I find my self flying for ours without combat and really enjoying it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ASUS M4A79 Deluxe, AMD Phenom II X4 940@3.5GHz, ATI 6870 1GB, Windows 7 64bit, Kingstone HyperX 4GB, 2x Western Digital Raptor 74GB, Asus Xonar DX Sound Card, Saitek X52 PRO, TrackIR 44: Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurtz Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I found the new system of losing control of the stick until recentre a little rediculous. V1 trim system for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTFDarkEagle Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 New system works best for me. I dont trim a lot anyway... Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highwayman-Ed Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 New system works best for me. I dont trim a lot anyway... Ditto, I'm exactly the same and don't trim unless I'm flying a long distance. Intel i9-9900KF @5.2GHz MSI Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon 32GB G.Skill Trident Z DDR3200 RAM MSI RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio 40" Panasonic TH-40DX600U @ 4K Pimax Vision 8K Plus / Oculus Rift CV1 / HTC Vive Gametrix JetSeat with SimShaker Windows 10 64 Bit Home Edition [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Bazong- Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I have an FFB cyclic, but use the old system for the pedals (tryed the new but did'nt like it)..:joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legolasindar Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 This poll need one option more. 5 - My own trim system. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Cavallers del Cel - Comunintat Catalana de Simulació http://www.cavallersdelcel.cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Bazong- Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 This poll need one option more. 5 - My own trim system. Now you're making me curious!! How does that system work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemises Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 new system so far...I was happy with old system, but want to give new system a go for a while to see. There are slight drawbacks to the new system (as Aero mentioned, sometimes you get control loss because of not properly returning the controllers to center), but I think, overall it helps me fly a much better profile....no bucking bronco moments anymore.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD_GreyKnight Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I have a FFB stick and just moved on to the new version fine. Is the problem with the new trim more to those who don't have FFB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Old system, crashed once due to loss of control using the new trim system and reverted right back to the old method. I never had an issue with the original system anyway. Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramstein Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 lol, sorry I had to be the one to vote for the last option To be honest, I don't trim unless I absolutely have to. It's just another thing to worry about. I always have a hand on the stick anyway, even if it is my left. Center stick's are wonderful! ;) Of the 2 methods however, I like the new one better, though it is annoying when you don't actually center it and there's no control over the aircraft! That usually results in a large "Crunch!" :D Aero I too chose the last one.. Neither do I and I have no problems at all.. I told others I don't use trim and I have no problems.. they usually tell me they stil use trim.. and I hear a few people cuss it while I am flying... :joystick: ASUS Strix Z790-H, i9-13900, WartHog HOTAS and MFG Crosswind G.Skill 64 GB Ram, 2TB SSD EVGA Nvidia RTX 2080-TI 55" Sony OLED TV, Oculus VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airway Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 What voting for? We don't even have the 1.0.1 patch, yet :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramstein Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 What voting for? We don't even have the 1.0.1 patch, yet :lol: ??? Twighlight Zone.. :pilotfly: ASUS Strix Z790-H, i9-13900, WartHog HOTAS and MFG Crosswind G.Skill 64 GB Ram, 2TB SSD EVGA Nvidia RTX 2080-TI 55" Sony OLED TV, Oculus VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
104th_Crunch Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 He means a German patch I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheelhaus Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I prefer the new system. I'd really like to try a FFB stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS17 Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I use the new system it works quite well.:thumbup: [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixBvo Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I have switched back to the old system. Losing control of the cyclic is worse than a little jerkiness. My proposal is for yet another trim option: Combine the two options by shortly having the stick output frozen until either: - you recenter or, - a time limit is exceeded. (whichever happens first) That way you never loose control for long in a stressful situation and you have the ability to smoothly apply the new trim setting. Let players set the time limit and the recenter zone limits to suit their personal flying style and everybody would be happy!:smilewink: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU i7 4970k @ 4.7 GHz RAM 16GB G.Skill TridentX 1600 ATX ASUS Z97-PRO DSU Samsung 850 PRO 256GB SSD for Win10, Plextor M6e 128GB SSD for DCS exclusively, RAID-1 HDDs GFX Aorus GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Xtreme Edition, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, 27" with G-Sync, Oculus Rift CV1 HID TM HOTAS Warthog + 10 cm extension, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR 5, Obutto oZone My TM Warthog Profile + Chart, F-15C EM Diagram Generator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulund Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I have switched back to the old system. Losing control of the cyclic is worse than a little jerkiness. My proposal is for yet another trim option: Combine the two options by shortly having the stick output frozen until either: - you recenter or, - a time limit is exceeded. (whichever happens first) That way you never loose control for long in a stressful situation and you have the ability to smoothly apply the new trim setting. Let players set the time limit and the recenter zone limits to suit their personal flying style and everybody would be happy!:smilewink: I guess that would totally ruin the capability of viewing other's replays.... Unless maybe that information is stored in the TRK file and settings adjusted for each playback... Core i5-760 @ 3.6Ghz, 4GB DDR3, Geforce GTX470, Samsung SATA HDD, Dell UH2311H 1920x1080, Saitek X52 Pro., FreeTrack homemade cap w/ LifeCam VX-1000, Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1. FreeTrack in DCS A10C (64bit): samttheeagle's headtracker.dll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixBvo Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Settings should be stored in the .TRK anyway to keep compatibility with features in new updates. I hope ED does that... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU i7 4970k @ 4.7 GHz RAM 16GB G.Skill TridentX 1600 ATX ASUS Z97-PRO DSU Samsung 850 PRO 256GB SSD for Win10, Plextor M6e 128GB SSD for DCS exclusively, RAID-1 HDDs GFX Aorus GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Xtreme Edition, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, 27" with G-Sync, Oculus Rift CV1 HID TM HOTAS Warthog + 10 cm extension, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR 5, Obutto oZone My TM Warthog Profile + Chart, F-15C EM Diagram Generator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixBvo Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Actually now that I'm thinking about it, it wouldn't ruin playback at all: the trk only records the stick position in-game, not the physical controller input. So it doesn't matter how you generate the in-game cyclic stick signal, including the "no-force-feedback-trimming" work-around. Otherwise tracks wouldn't be compatible even now, afterall we already have two trimming systems... Follow me? :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU i7 4970k @ 4.7 GHz RAM 16GB G.Skill TridentX 1600 ATX ASUS Z97-PRO DSU Samsung 850 PRO 256GB SSD for Win10, Plextor M6e 128GB SSD for DCS exclusively, RAID-1 HDDs GFX Aorus GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Xtreme Edition, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, 27" with G-Sync, Oculus Rift CV1 HID TM HOTAS Warthog + 10 cm extension, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR 5, Obutto oZone My TM Warthog Profile + Chart, F-15C EM Diagram Generator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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