ALDEGA Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 There is a reason why they dropped Simulator from the name. ;) I do wonder about the financial results of the last MSFS incarnations ... not good enough to warrant further investment?
JCook Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 I think the longterm solution to FS9/FSX replacement is an OpenSource flightsim developed by world-wide online talent. Microsoft was always too restrictive to model things accurately.
Moa Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 I think the longterm solution to FS9/FSX replacement is an OpenSource flightsim developed by world-wide online talent. Microsoft was always too restrictive to model things accurately. You mean the Free Software ("free" as in freedom) project called FlightGear at http://www.flightgear.org? or, the commercial X-Plane (v10) just released at http://www.x-plane.com ? Now some may argue that FSX is better than these in certain ways (eg. they prefer the ground graphics, or there is some mod they like only for FSX yada yada). To this I would say, "get real, the world has changed" for the following reasons: * FlightGear may be behind on graphics but it is still ongoing (FSX is now an unsupported product, no longer sold or maintained by Microsoft - you now have to buy a version/get support Lockheed-Martin for a slightly different code-base: http://www.prepar3d.com/products/prepar3d-client/). A still viable product such as FlightGear (being improved very slowly but surely) will always beat a cancelled product (FSX), long-term. * X-Plane has better flight modelling than FSX, and is far more open to modding. It also works on Macs (where it is developed) and Linux, for those that run those systems (although it used to be prettty flaky for device input on Linux). X-Plane also always ran a lot better (could turn more graphics options up) than FSX for me. So, have a look at these products in addition to checking out Microsoft Flight when it finally arrives. ps. Don't bother with Take On Helicopters - it feels, looks and runs pretty awful even on an i7 with Radeon 5970 (dual) GPU. The helicopters in Armed Assault 2 are more fun (despite Take On Helicopters being an extension of the Arma2 codebase). Perhaps this may change over time, but for now you are better spending your money on x-plane. pps. There is an airline going to Big Island (the island actually called Hawai'i, but every one calls it Big Island to differentiate it from the name of the State). That airline is Hawaiin Airlines flying 717s. I know, just had some flights several weeks ago - including going to Big Island to see the volcanoes. Note: compared to the island of O'ahu (where Honolulu is) there is not that much large-scale human development on Big Island. The 'city' of Hilo always seems to get a lot of rain/clouds due to the trade winds, so it will be interesting to see whether MS Flight! models this correctly.
empeck Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Open source projects are not viable replacement because of GPL licence. You won't get commercial products for them, and I doubt freeware will ever reach PMDG/ORBX/VRS/etc quality. XPlane in it's never ending beta is not a as good platform as it could be. I'll stick to FSX for next few years.
effte Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 No airliner, no ATC, no SDK for 3rd party addons, and no whatsoever: http://flyawaysimulation.com/news/4317/microsoft-flight-behind-scenes-at-microsoft-studios/ That's not what we expected to see! Nothing to see... move on, move on... FS9 it is then, for the foreseeable future. ----- Introduction to UTM/MGRS - Trying to get your head around what trim is, how it works and how to use it? - DCS helos vs the real world.
Yskonyn Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Open source projects are not viable replacement because of GPL licence. You won't get commercial products for them, and I doubt freeware will ever reach PMDG/ORBX/VRS/etc quality. XPlane in it's never ending beta is not a as good platform as it could be. I'll stick to FSX for next few years. While I generally agree that X-plane is not as good as it could be, you do understand that X-plane is being developed by a far smaller group than FS was? For the resources they have available I think X-plane is a remarkable project and gets very near to replacing FSX with the new v10 iteration, at least for me. If (and this is a big IF) third party developers are aware of the potential of X-plane and its future incarnations and they decide to jump in making addons we could be looking at a magnificent civil flightsim. Terrain and weather is miles ahead of FSX. Scenery on the other hand is lacking severely. The stock aircraft are as crappy in their flight modelling as FSX's, but FSX has the advantage of having some high quality third party aircraft. On this point X-plane is behind, but is gaining momentum nonetheless. It'll be interesting to see where X-plane goes. But I do not think it is fair to dismiss X-plane as an ongoing beta product. Only because the product is highly evolving does not make it a beta. It functions very well out of the box. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Asus Z390-E, 32GB Crucial Ballistix 2400Mhz, Intel i7 9700K 5.0Ghz, Asus GTX1080 8GB, SoundBlaster AE-5, G15, Streamdeck, DSD Flight, TM Warthog, VirPil BRD, MFG Crosswind CAM5, TrackIR 5, KW-908 Jetseat, Win 10 64-bit ”Pilots do not get paid for what they do daily, but they get paid for what they are capable of doing. However, if pilots would need to do daily what they are capable of doing, nobody would dare to fly anymore.”
effte Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Well, if we are going to rate things by "achievement per development team member", then one-man development efforts will likely boom. :) Me, I tend to judge by absolute quality and in that respect, for a "fly around the real world in a manner as close to real world flying as possible", FS9 still holds my personal highschore. FSX has slightly better handling but is more buggy in most other respects, meaning FS9 is still my choice. With a good set of third-party terrain, mind you. X-Plane 9 was... interesting. If I wanted to plod around in the detailed sceneries and nothing else then maybe, just maybe... provided I could find a good C172 and King Air 200. No joy there so far. Have yet to give X-plane 10 a shot, but I read the list of improvements and they weren't the ones I was hoping for. The series has never failed to underwhelm me - and that's even without considering Austin's constant marketing hype. ----- Introduction to UTM/MGRS - Trying to get your head around what trim is, how it works and how to use it? - DCS helos vs the real world.
Yskonyn Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Heh I hear you. About Austin's enthousiastic speeches, that is. I understand your views about quality, but I am just a man of proportion I guess. For the small team they have, I personally think they have done a magnificent job. That's all. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Asus Z390-E, 32GB Crucial Ballistix 2400Mhz, Intel i7 9700K 5.0Ghz, Asus GTX1080 8GB, SoundBlaster AE-5, G15, Streamdeck, DSD Flight, TM Warthog, VirPil BRD, MFG Crosswind CAM5, TrackIR 5, KW-908 Jetseat, Win 10 64-bit ”Pilots do not get paid for what they do daily, but they get paid for what they are capable of doing. However, if pilots would need to do daily what they are capable of doing, nobody would dare to fly anymore.”
Silver_Dragon Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) We need a new version of the beast.... make by a great friend :megalol: the original...:megalol: The first parodia scene from the film "Bunker" for Microsoft Flight Simulator X, created by DReaperF4 August 10, 2006. Originalremovedfor copyright infringement. Edited January 7, 2012 by Silver_Dragon For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
Nate--IRL-- Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Seems MS has really dropped the ball with Flight, with regard to 3rd party Developers. It would be a perfect time for a SDK from ED. Could you imagine DCS with Professional 3rd party development like PMDG 737? Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
MTFDarkEagle Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Seems MS has really dropped the ball with Flight, with regard to 3rd party Developers. It would be a perfect time for a SDK from ED. Could you imagine DCS with Professional 3rd party development like PMDG 737? Nate :pilotfly: Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
SUBS17 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Seems MS has really dropped the ball with Flight, with regard to 3rd party Developers. It would be a perfect time for a SDK from ED. Could you imagine DCS with Professional 3rd party development like PMDG 737? Nate Thats a good idea we should have a poll and see what happens.:thumbup: BTW if VRS ever made a Superhornet for DCS it would be 100% IMO after seeing the latest Tacpack video. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
msalama Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Professional 3rd party development like PMDG 737? That would be the best thing ever IMHO! DCS = Digital Civilian Simulator :D PS / EDIT: Right then, gonna open a new thread about this now that we're on it. The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
joey45 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 M$ Flight.. Bit like TDU2 but with planes.. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
hassata Posted February 6, 2012 Posted February 6, 2012 29 February release date. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-06-microsoft-flight-release-date-announced [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
sobek Posted February 6, 2012 Posted February 6, 2012 What the heck, Mustang with 3rd person view only? This series is taking a sharp turn south. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
cichlidfan Posted February 6, 2012 Posted February 6, 2012 What the heck, Mustang with 3rd person view only? This series is taking a sharp turn south. Apparently aircraft with cockpits cost double. Notice how the prices are in MS points so it sounds less like real money.;) ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
msimon Posted February 6, 2012 Posted February 6, 2012 This a joke right. WTF!! Im sticking with Eagle dynamics for sure.
VincentLaw Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Honestly I would rather have a cockpit view only than external view only. That's the part I spend most of my time looking at anyway. Actually, I would even rather have a generic cockpit that looks the same in multiple airplanes, or a 2d panel, or even an inside view with nothing but a HUD. I am assuming this means you are not allowed to mod in a cockpit view of any sort. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
213 Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 lol, don't kid yourselves. it's free, it looks beautiful. you'll be downloading it, if not to simply enjoy the landscape.
cichlidfan Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 lol, don't kid yourselves. it's free, it looks beautiful. you'll be downloading it, if not to simply enjoy the landscape. Never said I wouldn't but I sure won't be spending a penny for the outside of an airplane or anything else. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
VincentLaw Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 lol, don't kid yourselves. it's free, it looks beautiful. you'll be downloading it, if not to simply enjoy the landscape. To anyone who has been a MSFS fan, it would be the equivalent of TFC dumping the entire Eagle Dynamics team, starting up a new team called TFC Game Studios, announcing that they have discontinued "Digital Combat Simulator," but don't worry, because they will keep its spirit alive with a new series called "Digital Combat." You can imagine the details. That said, yeah, Ill download it. I imagine that it will be like when I got Sim City Societies. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
213 Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 that's hilarious and is unfortunately how video game industry goes. sad to see such practices extend to once untouchable genres like sims. oh well.
Phantom88 Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 To be honest,I really don't see myself wasting my time even downloading it.If I want mindless entertainment I have "Angry Birds" on my iphone.;) Patrick
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