Problem with Warthog Throttle

[sofie_59]

I must sometimes re-connect the trottle usb for the microstick to work!

Is there enybody else whit that problem?

 

Yes i have the latest firmware

[Succellus]

There is absolutely no evidence or indicator that the units being assembled in China have anything at all to do with anything. If it is a failure by a specific component, unless the component was actually fabricated in China, blaming China labor for the failure is stupid. It could be due to a batch of bad components that could have been produced in the USA for that matter, or it could be an inherent design issue. Who knows, but looking at my Hog, it does not feel nor look cheap and it also feels solid and not flimsy. I cannot see any fault in the way it was assembled and wouldn't be able to guess where it was assembled.

 

Just more bashing from a non-Hog owning mouthpiece.

 

You got it personnaly heh ? I ll send you pictures of my hog went it arrives and the SN. i finally had a contact from the customs, it should take one more month to arrive.:mad:

As far as we know, the metal from TM stuff could very well come from old metal pan re-melted and moulded. :clown:

Now i m trolling you, chill down.:smilewink:

[Slammin]

Where am I being personal? And why would someone with so many negative things to say about TM and the Hog even consider getting one? You don't have to answer if your answer will make you look any more silly. :smilewink:

[Succellus]

Naaaah, won t have to explain, already explained earlyer.

[Wolf Rider]

I was reading somewhere that some of the switches on the throttle "stay on".

Is it possible that a certain combination of some switches being in the "on" condition could be opening a pathway in the electronics to somwhere it shouldn't be when the PC starts up and runs its device detection? (thereby frying/ wiping clean some of the electronics)

 

What had me thinking this, is the Firmware update and having to hold down two buttons for it enable.

[Callsign.Vega]

There is absolutely no evidence or indicator that the units being assembled in China have anything at all to do with anything. If it is a failure by a specific component, unless the component was actually fabricated in China, blaming China labor for the failure is stupid. It could be due to a batch of bad components that could have been produced in the USA for that matter, or it could be an inherent design issue. Who knows, but looking at my Hog, it does not feel nor look cheap and it also feels solid and not flimsy. I cannot see any fault in the way it was assembled and wouldn't be able to guess where it was assembled.

 

Just more bashing from a non-Hog owning mouthpiece.

 

There's one major flaw in your argument though; the USA doesn't produce any components anymore. :D

 

I'd agree, the WH is built fairly decently. Although, a lot of people like myself have issues with stuff being built in China. Usually because it's the only place to purchase tons of items anymore because they produce so cheap that it drives out the rest of the industrial worlds manufacturing out of the marketplace. How do they do this? Just watch a documentary on the work and living conditions of Chinese industrial laborers.

[Slammin]

You imply that the Chinese do bad work because of work and living conditions but I would argue a hungry Chinese man will do 3x the work you and I do and probably 3x better because if he doesn't, he don't eat. It's not like they have a labor shortage over there.

 

I don't think Chinese factories are filled with a bunch of fat lazy Chinamen. I also don't think you can blame the average Chinese laborer for lack of quality control. That is a much broader issue that does need attention and addressing but to blame it on the common laborer is probably misguided.

 

Anyway, this thread has gone from bashing TM to now bashing China and TM.

MasterBashers unite!

[Ziggy]

Well... while this global economic discussion might be interesting.......... z z z zzzzzz

I have after several emails to and from TM got my throttle going back to France. Now where did I put that invoice?! Hope they accept the print out from my bank showing my VISA transaction to purchase my paper weight! ;-)

[Wolf Rider]

In Australia, the Department of Fair Trading allows that as acceptable Proof of Transaction.

[Succellus]

I was reading somewhere that some of the switches on the throttle "stay on".

Is it possible that a certain combination of some switches being in the "on" condition could be opening a pathway in the electronics to somwhere it shouldn't be when the PC starts up and runs its device detection? (thereby frying/ wiping clean some of the electronics)

 

What had me thinking this, is the Firmware update and having to hold down two buttons for it enable.

 

Interesting theory, but would a couple of buttons pressed bring fire to the system ?

Cougar also have a hard resset with buttons, God kows how many time i had to use it in the beginning, and it never cooked. Althought i can t remember which ones....trigger + something. mmmh?

[Succellus]

You imply that the Chinese do bad work because of work and living conditions but I would argue a hungry Chinese man will do 3x the work you and I do and probably 3x better because if he doesn't, he don't eat. It's not like they have a labor shortage over there.

 

I don't think Chinese factories are filled with a bunch of fat lazy Chinamen. I also don't think you can blame the average Chinese laborer for lack of quality control. That is a much broader issue that does need attention and addressing but to blame it on the common laborer is probably misguided.

 

Anyway, this thread has gone from bashing TM to now bashing China and TM.

MasterBashers unite!

 

 

Slowdown on your reading. Nobody said they re lazy. Do youknow the fatigue syndrom ? Stress syndrom ? Well i bet you do, and you know the results right.

 

I worked 10 years for a french company that has his proprietary component soldering and major assembling (not total) in china, ring a bell ? No, not TM, not same kind of bussiness althought entretaiment too.

And guess how the soldering was done ? People soldering, no machine. But Hardware would malfunction after a while due to damaged component, bad soldering etc...

At least, when you complained about faulty hardware they would send another piece for free, no question asked. Most of the time it was a recovered PCB, with wires and/or only a new soldered component .

(They only would complain after if the piece of hard wasn t faulty from build point.)

 

See my grip with TM, they know the problem, they know they are faulty, even then they reel at cleaning they re own rear end.

Why they do it ? because low payed half slave or prisoners soldering is less costly than machines even counting defects and image issues the rest. They know that when we got our Hog working again, most will forget the incident.

[Wolf Rider]

Interesting theory, but would a couple of buttons pressed bring fire to the system ?

Cougar also have a hard resset with buttons, God kows how many time i had to use it in the beginning, and it never cooked. Althought i can t remember which ones....trigger + something. mmmh?

 

anything is possible, eh... I put a similar post (with a slight rant) up on another thread as this one has degenerated into something not very nice at all.

[foxter26]

Well... while this global economic discussion might be interesting.......... z z z zzzzzz

I have after several emails to and from TM got my throttle going back to France. Now where did I put that invoice?! Hope they accept the print out from my bank showing my VISA transaction to purchase my paper weight! ;-)

I've lost the number of to mails to and from TM. Think 10-15. And a phone call to TM Sweeden, it was a french accent voice replying. Like this PInk Panther French actor in those Peter Sellers movies (you peepl to young to recall ..eh?)

 

Me didn't find the recite either so i had to send the final order confirmation from vemdor.

 

I lost four days! They insisted to have the invoice in jpg or pdf attachment. Ok....i managed to arrange something likenthat. Now i'm still waiting for next step...

[Skoshi Tiger]

Oh Dear! My Throttle went down today.

 

It was working this morning then turned it on this evening and the lights refused to go on. It was listed under devices as a human interface but not as a games controller.

 

I reflashed the firmware (2.1.8 ) as per the instructions and the lights came back on, it is recognised as a games controller and all the buttons work correctly but none of the axis register any movement!

 

Hmmmm! To late too do anything tonight so I see what happens tomorrow!

 

Damn! I just got my MFD this morning and was planning to have some fun!

Edited January 18, 2011 by Skoshi Tiger

[emenance]

The thing whih China is you have to watch for poor cut throught business practices. Business owners go to china for cut throught compitition and cheap prices. Not all things made in china suffer cut throught business quality.

 

A good example are Canon copiers. Leading the market. Japanese designed made in China.

Ergotron office products. The best at what they do, great quality. Made in China.

 

TM ordered a small quanity of goods with alot of detail and high quality demands. Not a good combination and ill bet was hard to do. Look at price.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Hallelujah!

 

I got a reply from Thrustmaster today with an attached calibration utility!

 

I ran it and it worked!

 

Thankyou Thrustmaster Support!

 

Cheers!

Edited January 18, 2011 by Skoshi Tiger

[RogueRunner]

Can you upload it here or to rapidshare/hotfile please?

[Funkyjazz]

Hallelujah!

 

I got a reply from Thrustmaster today with an attached calibration utility!

 

I ran it and it worked!

 

Thankyou Thrustmaster Support!

 

Cheers!

 

So first you ran the reflash util 2.1.8. And after that you ran the calibration utility. That's all?

[Funkyjazz]

Can you upload it here or to rapidshare/hotfile please?

 

I dont think he's got time for that. He making up some missed quality time:pilotfly:

[herig2]

Got my throttle back to day. Went from serial # 01462 to 00935. I wonder who had it before. So far so good except the left throttle has a squeak in the last quarter of it's travel. A drop of lube should fix that.

Edited January 24, 2011 by herig2
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[Succellus]

So, as the old joke says:

Muhammed change throttle with ali,

Ali change trottle with Jahad,

jahad change throttle with Iram,

 

Jokes apart this was expected, you can try to check in the SN here and in Sim HQ Warthog section it can give us an idea is its belongs "to the comunity" ore some Jhon Doe.

 

BINGO!!! I knew this number wasn t strange to me...

Serial No. 935

FEED, page 7 of the Hotas Warthog serial number database of this site.

He actually reported his throttle died, on both threads.

Edited January 25, 2011 by Succellus

[emenance]

Where are Thrustmaster representatives on this forum? Or, any forum for that matter??

 

I am running my throttle and stick via a self-powered USB Hub and am hoping that this will keep it from bricking, firmware was upgraded right out of the box (first thing I did). But without any confirmation/acknowledgment from the official reps of TM, things from a public relations perspective are only going to keep getting worse... with threads like this growing.

 

my opinion anyway...

 

Exactly, Logitech has been here before. Now TM sells us some hardware that costs almost twice as much and doesnt have the balls to come here and talk about it? Priceless!

[Slammin]

The only money I spend on my hobbies is money that I can afford to spend on my hobbies. You'd swear that some folks are feeding their family bread and water because they HAD to buy the WH when it first became available.

 

We are buying a version 1.0 product. Risks? Sure! Worth it? Im my case, yes! Is it perfect? No!

 

I do feel for anyone that got a shiny new WH and have it die a few days later, but that is a risk, unfortunately inherent with being the first kid on the block to have a newly introduced gadget.

 

Also, do realize that this is a new product and in a short period of time, it appears many were sold, and though we are seeing failures, TM does seem to be taking care of those folks. And in the big picture view, the failures do not seem to be the norm. Most are not having hardware issues witht the WH.

 

The Logitech G940 has been out for what, almost two years now and just last week they have finally, though only partially, addressed a long-standing issue with that unit. I had a G940 and sent it back for refund before my 30 days were up. I would have loved to have a great FFB HOTAS, but I'd rather have a great HOTAS that works the way it's supposed to. The WH does work the way it's supposed to but that does not mean it is perfect either.

 

Most are not having issues. Most, me included, think the WH is worth every penny. I doubt if I'd change my tune if mine broke since I have not seen one case where TM has not backed their product, and again, it is a great HOTAS.

 

edit:

 

I must add that Logitech support for me has been nothing short of excellent. I have many Logitech products and whenever I had an issue, they were prompt, and in some cases, just plain awesome in their remedy. I just knew that the issues I had with the G940 were not issues I thought could be easily resolved, and that's why I returned it.

Edited January 25, 2011 by Slammin

[Succellus]

I find awesome people find normal to be treated as laboratory rats.

AFAIK i don t treat my customers as rat labs, am i wring doing this ?

[Feed]

Got my throttle back to day. Went from serial # 01462 to 00935. I wonder who had it before. So far so good except the left throttle has a squeak in the last quarter of it's travel. A drop of lube should fix that.

 

HA ... I was the original owner of #935. *sniff*

 

It dropped firmware about 1 week after I received it, was fixed with utilities sent by TM, then hard-bricked about 3 weeks after that. With any luck, the bugs have been worked out. Treat her right! ;)

 

[and to clarify, there was no squeak when I had it - other than the firmware/brick, it was pristine]

 

But I also have to note - that they've attached the serial number plate to the least-integral, easily-swapped part on the thing ... so it's possible (but unlikely) that the only thing you have that I've ever touched is the baseplate. :/

Edited January 25, 2011 by Feed