BS2 For DCS World

[Cowboy10uk]

OK guys, Its no secret that I love ED and their products, I went through the hassle of purchasing BS through a russian site, before getting the english version, Then I purchased A10 as soon as it was ready in Beta, Ive just done the same for P51.

 

So please can you explain why im being left out because i bought the BS2 upgrade rather than a standalone.

 

I purchased this in good faith, understanding that it would bring my copy of BS fully up to spec of BS2. Now this seems this isnt the case. While I can appreciate I may had to wait a few days to be able to fly my BS2 with the P51. Im rather peeved to find out that because I didnt purchase the standalone I will be penalised and made to wait to the final version. No beta versions for me.

 

Now you all know from my last thread I'm not one to moan about ED's products. But this decision has really wound me up.

 

Why offer an upgrade version unless you are going to support it as BS2, rather than creating a 2 teir system. upgrade or full.

 

ok moan over.

 

Thanks for the A10 though. :)

 

Cowboy10uk

[BIGNEWY]

OK guys, Its no secret that I love ED and their products, I went through the hassle of purchasing BS through a russian site, before getting the english version, Then I purchased A10 as soon as it was ready in Beta, Ive just done the same for P51.

 

So please can you explain why im being left out because i bought the BS2 upgrade rather than a standalone.

 

I purchased this in good faith, understanding that it would bring my copy of BS fully up to spec of BS2. Now this seems this isnt the case. While I can appreciate I may had to wait a few days to be able to fly my BS2 with the P51. Im rather peeved to find out that because I didnt purchase the standalone I will be penalised and made to wait to the final version. No beta versions for me.

 

Now you all know from my last thread I'm not one to moan about ED's products. But this decision has really wound me up.

 

Why offer an upgrade version unless you are going to support it as BS2, rather than creating a 2 teir system. upgrade or full.

 

ok moan over.

 

Thanks for the A10 though. :)

 

Cowboy10uk

 

this

 

It does not seem fair that all the pilots I fly with using the BS2 upgrade will not be able to try the beta :mad:

Edited May 18, 2012 by BIGNEWY

[Spetz]

Feel the same as above..Nice kick to the junk with a wait of potentially a few months until the "final" version is released. Hopefully it's out in a few days..

[MTFDarkEagle]

OK guys, Its no secret that I love ED and their products, I went through the hassle of purchasing BS through a russian site, before getting the english version, Then I purchased A10 as soon as it was ready in Beta, Ive just done the same for P51.

 

So please can you explain why im being left out because i bought the BS2 upgrade rather than a standalone.

 

I purchased this in good faith, understanding that it would bring my copy of BS fully up to spec of BS2. Now this seems this isnt the case. While I can appreciate I may had to wait a few days to be able to fly my BS2 with the P51. Im rather peeved to find out that because I didnt purchase the standalone I will be penalised and made to wait to the final version. No beta versions for me.

 

Now you all know from my last thread I'm not one to moan about ED's products. But this decision has really wound me up.

 

Why offer an upgrade version unless you are going to support it as BS2, rather than creating a 2 teir system. upgrade or full.

 

ok moan over.

 

Thanks for the A10 though. :)

 

Cowboy10uk

A BIG +1.!

 

I think I'm right in saying that I'm part of the group which is most supportive for ED, but htis decision... well... Let's say shamefull.

[hitman]

Whats so shameful about it? I have the upgraded version as well, but whos to say that the upgrade has all of the needed components to work anyways? If thats not the case, then yeah Im a bit peeved too...but I dont really fly the BS, so Im not AS upset over it. Doesnt make it any more right.

[MTFDarkEagle]

Whats so shameful about it? I have the upgraded version as well, but whos to say that the upgrade has all of the needed components to work anyways? If thats not the case, then yeah Im a bit peeved too...but I dont really fly the BS, so Im not AS upset over it. Doesnt make it any more right.

What's the difference if it has all the same components or not?

I fly the Ka-50 near as makes no difference every day.

[hitman]

What's the difference if it has all the same components or not?

I fly the Ka-50 near as makes no difference every day.

I agree that the upgrade should work in World...hell, its not like I forked over 80 dollars for BS1 and BS2 upgrade for it NOT to work, and yeah Id say Im a little upset too. However, the upgrade AND the standalone arent the same thing! Whos to say that it would work? Maybe they had problems and are sorting it out. Im still upset, but its not like BS2 is my cup of tea.

[sorcer3r]

ED could you give us BS2-full keys if we send you our BS1+BS2-upgrade keys?

Edited May 18, 2012 by sorcer3r

[Cowboy10uk]

Whats so shameful about it? I have the upgraded version as well, but whos to say that the upgrade has all of the needed components to work anyways? If thats not the case, then yeah Im a bit peeved too...but I dont really fly the BS, so Im not AS upset over it. Doesnt make it any more right.

 

Isnt the point of an upgrade, to bring that product up to the same product as the stand alone. So it should have all the same components. If it dosnt then surely its not an upgrade, but a different sim.

 

To be honest I dont really fly BS as much as I used to. However that said, its an aircraft I have purchased and one I do enjoy flying from time to time.

 

It just feels like a large up yours to those who purchased the upgrade. although I have just come of nights, so I am very tired and maybe reading too much into it.

 

Cowboy10uk

[MTFDarkEagle]

I agree that the upgrade should work in World...hell, its not like I forked over 80 dollars for BS1 and BS2 upgrade for it NOT to work, and yeah Id say Im a little upset too. However, the upgrade AND the standalone arent the same thing! Whos to say that it would work? Maybe they had problems and are sorting it out. Im still upset, but its not like BS2 is my cup of tea.

As far as I know they are the same thing. Only thing that's different is activation or something similar, and that it checks for a BS1 installation (and activation).

[cichlidfan]

Whats so shameful about it? I have the upgraded version as well, but whos to say that the upgrade has all of the needed components to work anyways? If thats not the case, then yeah Im a bit peeved too...but I dont really fly the BS, so Im not AS upset over it. Doesnt make it any more right.

 

It has been stated multiple times, by ED (I think it is even in the FAQs somewhere), that there were no differences between the standalone and upgrade versions with the exception of the upgrade looking for BS1 durning the install.

[TUC]

Isnt the point of an upgrade, to bring that product up to the same product as the stand alone. So it should have all the same components. If it dosnt then surely its not an upgrade, but a different sim.

 

To be honest I dont really fly BS as much as I used to. However that said, its an aircraft I have purchased and one I do enjoy flying from time to time.

 

It just feels like a large up yours to those who purchased the upgrade. although I have just come of nights, so I am very tired and maybe reading too much into it.

 

Cowboy10uk

:cry_2::cry_2: (:hehe:) +1

[Rusty_M]

Still just a beta. Its not as if World is properly released yet. I'm ok to give it time. Sure I'd have liked to be able use Black Shark in World right now, but I wouldn't accuse ED of truly creating a two tier system until World sees a full release.

[ECV56_Tordo]

I dont understand why, being a legitimate user of BS2 (upgrade), I have no chance to test the beta, like others BS2´s users. :cry:

Edited May 18, 2012 by ECV56_Tordo

[Rusty_M]

I assume it's something to do with the activation system, which is making it more difficult to release the upgrade version.

 

I can't imagine this move encouraging many extra sales if that's it's purpose

[-Mop-]

So the ones who are onboard since bs1 ( and bought just an update on bs2) are locked out from beta... hhhmmmm.... brilliant

[Opoch]

I am disappointed too. Albeit I have no expertise in nor knowledge on the subject, but it seems that the only possible reason that they couldn't allow BS2 upgrade users to fly in World is because they are trying to work out some sort of activation procedure.

 

Enter DCS:Black Shark Key --> Enter DCS:Black Shark 2 Key --> Product Activated

 

I thought I read somewhere that this wasn't the case though. However as World is still in beta they can deny us the ability to fly as long as they damn well please, seeing as there is no entitlement to participate in a beta test. Makes me sad, a big letdown for me, but what can you do? Would be nice, but it may just be we are screwed on beta participation.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Opoch
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[hitman]

It has been stated multiple times, by ED (I think it is even in the FAQs somewhere), that there were no differences between the standalone and upgrade versions with the exception of the upgrade looking for BS1 durning the install.

Except for the verification system...which probably uses a totally different algorithm. Perhaps its a moot point anyways, how long will it take ED to fix that?

[cichlidfan]

Perhaps its a moot point anyways, how long will it take ED to fix that?

 

Apparently this long.

 

The module of Black Shark 2 upgrade version will be released later after release of the final versions of the modules.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1461580&postcount=1

[crazyirish93]

So people who have probably flown the blackshark longer and would have a higher chance at finding more obscure bugs are being excluded for some unknown reason make's sense...

[dburne]

Well gang you know, there is always the option to go ahead and purchase the full version of BS2.

Yes I know that bites, especially if you have already spent the money on the upgrade version, but it kind of is what it is. If participating in the beta is really important to anyone, I am just saying that is an option. I am sure they probably have a good reason for this.

 

I have had the original version of Black Shark on my PC for quite some time, got it not too long after it's release. I recently did acquire BS2 however, and went ahead and got the full version - to support ED, and to have available as I knew I would be doing a new puter build later this year, and would save me having to install BS1 first then installing the BS2 upgrade.

 

Anyway, please take no offense, just saying it is an option if one really , really wants to participate.

[Miro]

OK guys, Its no secret that I love ED and their products, I went through the hassle of purchasing BS through a russian site, before getting the english version, Then I purchased A10 as soon as it was ready in Beta, Ive just done the same for P51.

 

So please can you explain why im being left out because i bought the BS2 upgrade rather than a standalone.

 

I purchased this in good faith, understanding that it would bring my copy of BS fully up to spec of BS2. Now this seems this isnt the case. While I can appreciate I may had to wait a few days to be able to fly my BS2 with the P51. Im rather peeved to find out that because I didnt purchase the standalone I will be penalised and made to wait to the final version. No beta versions for me.

 

Now you all know from my last thread I'm not one to moan about ED's products. But this decision has really wound me up.

 

Why offer an upgrade version unless you are going to support it as BS2, rather than creating a 2 teir system. upgrade or full.

 

ok moan over.

 

Thanks for the A10 though. :)

 

Cowboy10uk

 

+1 :cry:

[213]

Well gang you know, there is always the option to go ahead and purchase the full version of BS2.

Yes I know that bites, especially if you have already spent the money on the upgrade version, but it kind of is what it is. If participating in the beta is really important to anyone, I am just saying that is an option. I am sure they probably have a good reason for this.

 

I have had the original version of Black Shark on my PC for quite some time, got it not too long after it's release. I recently did acquire BS2 however, and went ahead and got the full version - to support ED, and to have available as I knew I would be doing a new puter build later this year, and would save me having to install BS1 first then installing the BS2 upgrade.

 

Anyway, please take no offense, just saying it is an option if one really , really wants to participate.

 

"it is what it is"

 

what's what?

 

also, it's not like they're cutting support for the upgrade version. just wait until they make a patch for that.

[hitman]

Well, be that as it may, BS2 still works with A-10C without DCS World, and the only issue one might have is not being able to play against the P-51. Im not really going to cry about it...honestly, I havent played BS since I took this job at Lockheed 3 years ago. I may delve back into it, but my A-10C training is in full swing now. I pretty much have the BS figured out.

[algerad3]

@ Hitman,

Lucky you!!!! I am still trying to figure out the shark and I got that shortly after retail release. I really screwed up when I got A-10 beta and started to study that a little. Then this stupid thing called a p-51 comes along and guess what ??? I really need to focus on one or the other. If things were not bad enough... rumor has it that there is another a/c due out some time this year.

I wonder if I can learn the other three in time ????