Announcing Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 3

[HiJack]

If I could choose, the most ideal way of doing FC3 in my opinion would be the RoF approach.

 

- Buy each plane for say 15 $ when they get finished one by one.

- Each plane would get F-15 treatment = cockpit, 3D model etc.

- Each plane would get the necessary realistic features people have requested for (I think Case listed many features that Russian jets lack, same would go for all of course).

- Similar types would be released after another, for example now that we have F-15, next would be Su-27. Then maybe Su-25 and A-10 to match on the other side or fighters again.

 

That would lead to people getting more bang for the buck and better targeting of the specific type pilots. People who fly everything would propably still buy every plane because it would not feel bad at all to spread cost for high quality aircraft over wider time period.

I also think ED would get much more revenue and over wider time scale because the cost for the whole package would be much more than the current FC3 and people (I would believe) would complain less because they all get treated the same. With the extra and more steady income they could incorporate the missile AFM and other improvements into the base engine (World) with patches. It's also more motivating to buy several high quality planes over a wider time period for the sake of quality than only one improved plane, like now, but still pay full price of a larger module...

 

I and many others are tired of the same package that improves only little over the years. I see nothing new or any real value here.

At the same time Beczl creates a whole new DCS module with AFM, comparable quality modeling, tons of 3D models, tons of new weapons & more only for 20 $!!!

 

40 $ for FC2 with fake boobs vs 20 $ for a top quality aircraft and a complete DCS module? Also with a unique DVD and still 10 $ under FC3! Guess which gets my money. :)

 

I guess there might be some legal issues with the repackaging of the FC2 (I don't know, why call it Flaming Cliffs anymore in above scenario?) but this is how it would go in my perfect world. :)

Not possible due to the license with Ubisoft I guess. FC1, FC2 and FC3 is markeded as a single product and requires LOMAC license to start the upgrade chain.

 

(HJ)

[Kenan]

The improved FM for take offs and landings include carrier operations for Su-33?

 

+1

I personally, don't think they even touched the Su33/carrier landings.

[Cali]

+1

I personally, don't think they even touched the Su33/carrier landings.

 

We'll see in a few short weeks if the carrier landing was touched.

[HiJack]

We'll see in a few short weeks ....

:chair: a few days

[104th_Crunch]

Looks like we will need the 3GO Su-27 and Combatace's Su-33 still for FC3.

[Case]

Can any beta testers check if this bug still exists?

 

When playing multiplayer in FC2, the AI reacts differently when the human player is the actual server host, or whether he is connected as a client.

 

In the first case the AI reacts like in single player, but in the second case the human player will not get lock warnings and the AI will engage differently (more passive compared to SP).

 

To test this, fly against the AI and compare the difference between joining as server host or as a client.

[Milene]

Looks like we will need the 3GO Su-27 and Combatace's Su-33 still for FC3.

 

Yup and god knows Why :doh:

[HungaroJET]

Looks like we will need the 3GO Su-27 and Combatace's Su-33 still for FC3.

 

already done

[Spadje]

So in order to play FC3 I need to have Lock On Modern Air Combat? So the 9USD on this page http://lockon.co.uk/index.php?end_pos=1322&scr=shop is what I would need then? I already own all the DCS titles so World is covered.

 

Thanks,

Spadje

[104th_Crunch]

Yup and god knows Why :doh:

 

It is probably because of the complications of adding a third party mod into FC3 while FC is still related to Ubisoft's LOMAC brand.

[104th_Crunch]

So in order to play FC3 I need to have Lock On Modern Air Combat? So the 9USD on this page http://lockon.co.uk/index.php?end_pos=1322&scr=shop is what I would need then? I already own all the DCS titles so World is covered.

 

Thanks,

Spadje

 

Yes, it's all you need

 

already done

 

Sweet! Thanks for the heads up.

[Spadje]

Yes, it's all you need

 

Awesome thought I had already purchased and sure enough I have :) Got it from Ubisoft last year for 5 bucks....

 

Now I cant wait for FC3 :devil_2:

[Renato71]

No discount price for old customers? For those that have purchased previous titles, and thus supported further development?

No option to order "Upgrade from FC1" or "Upgrade from FC2"?

 

Hm....

[john_X]

Good job Eagle Dynamics! I am very satisfied with the new things we find in FC3!

[HiJack]

Maybe I’m a complete jerk when it comes to graphics but I can’t see what’s so extremely wrong with the models in the original FC2. OK, the 3GO Su-27 and Combatace's Su-33 adds visual better models but hey, that’s from the outside, or am I missing something here? Many servers, or at least the servers with stats, do not allow outside view so what is the fuzz about? Is it just for the movie makers? Can someone show me some specific examples?

 

(HJ)

[sobek]

Can someone show me some specific examples?

 

Formation flying?

[mwd2]

Will the Resource Manager with the Warehouse work also for the Fighters of FC3, like for the DCS models under DCS World:

 

 

 

over LALT + ' (apostrophe) (you need to have activate intercom and open the canopy, as far as i know!)?

[HiJack]

That is a DCS World feature, so yes.

[NRG-Vampire]

Maybe I’m a complete jerk when it comes to graphics but I can’t see what’s so extremely wrong with the models in the original FC2.

 

the only one new FC2 aircraft model was the Su-25

Su-27 not from FC2 nor FC1

its from LOMAC - 9 yrs old model :cry:

 

Will the Resource Manager with the Warehouse work also for the Fighters of FC3, like for the DCS models under DCS World:

 

Yes, work fine for all aircrafts and helicopters.

Edited September 5, 2012 by NRG-Vampire

[EtherealN]

Will the Resource Manager with the Warehouse work also for the Fighters of FC3, like for the DCS models under DCS World:

 

Resource Manager is a feature that was developed specifically as a part of FC3, so yes. ;)

 

It just had parts of itself integrated into World aheads of schedule.

[104th_Crunch]

Maybe I’m a complete jerk when it comes to graphics but I can’t see what’s so extremely wrong with the models in the original FC2. OK, the 3GO Su-27 and Combatace's Su-33 adds visual better models but hey, that’s from the outside, or am I missing something here? Many servers, or at least the servers with stats, do not allow outside view so what is the fuzz about? Is it just for the movie makers? Can someone show me some specific examples?

 

(HJ)

 

Yes, you are a complete jerk.

 

Lol j/k Combat flying online with your buddies is a good example. Formation flying etc.

[Speed]

Maybe I’m a complete jerk when it comes to graphics but I can’t see what’s so extremely wrong with the models in the original FC2. OK, the 3GO Su-27 and Combatace's Su-33 adds visual better models but hey, that’s from the outside, or am I missing something here? Many servers, or at least the servers with stats, do not allow outside view so what is the fuzz about? Is it just for the movie makers? Can someone show me some specific examples?

 

(HJ)

 

I'm in the same boat as you- frankly, I don't care much about skins or 3D models- if you're flying and not "cheating" with external views, you simply won't see them very much.

 

However, judging on the number of skins upgrade packs, and excitement generated whenever new and improved 3D models are introduced, we may be in the minority in this respect.

 

There are situations where you will notice them, however, even if you don't use externals:

Close formation/refueling.

Takeoff and landing (taxiing near parked aircraft or other aircraft you see taxiing).

 

To me, having a nice cockpit is much more important- and FC3 introduces that wonderful F-15 pit :)

Edited September 5, 2012 by Speed

[joey45]

 

There are situations where you will notice them, however, even if you don't use externals:

Close formation/refueling.

Takeoff and landing (taxiing near parked aircraft or other aircraft you see taxiing).

 

To me, having a nice cockpit is much more important- and FC3 introduces that wonderful F-15 pit :)

When you fly in formation of the il 76 in DCS then go into fc2 and refuel the 33...... :cry:

 

The only time I look outside the pit is to take pics.

[Kuky]

Have they finally fixed HDR bug with multi-monitor setups?

(I doubt they even looked at it)

[ErichVon]

(re: 1st post)

 

I will definitely, eventually get FC3, if only to play VNAO on the Stallturn server, but not until final release. Most likely I will wait for Best Buy to have a boxed edition. It is too much effort installing the betas, uninstalling, reinstalling, learn certain aspects of the 1st betas, then they get changed, embellished or omitted in later betas. I can wait.

 

I recently purchased the F/A-18E Superbug for FSX and have re-explored the mods to the Acceleration Pack's F-18 the past month. If the next DCS product is the F-18 and a land-able carrier with cable traps and working catapult, my priorities will change drastically.

Edited September 6, 2012 by ErichVon