AV-8B Harrier Plus DCS version

[WildBillKelsoe]

Nice one Bill :)

 

With the Mk105 and 107 engines the water is mainly there as ballast unless operating in high temperatures and/or altitudes. Otherwise, the water is used for water injection when the aircraft is set to 'Short Lift Wet' or 'Lift Wet' mode for hover and short take offs/landing. The engine is temperature limited so to get some more power the water is sprayed onto the turbine blades and around the combustion chamber to assist cooling and allow more fuel to be pumped in. The pump is air driven from engine bleed air, gives you about 90 seconds hover time.

 

Thanks rob for the extra intel. Just need more time with her, (the above review is from 3 flights).... Ah yes.. I read the manual further (also with search function) and you're right; ballast, cooling, and the bleed air.

 

FSX is VERY limited to what the devs can do to the Flight Model and systems.

 

DCS = next to unlimited capabilities..

 

joey, yeah I'm sure RAZBAM will do something to open our gazes with DCS world. Anyways, harrier maybe 2 or 3 years later into the mix, so I'm not worried.

 

Yeah. I just pray that razbam know what parameters the Harrier should have to make an accurate FM.

 

And then systems and avionics are a whole other matter..

 

I tend to be cynical about these things since a lot of documentation isn't available to non-military personnel.

 

Well, they could get true harrier pilots or retirees and wind tunnel data should set the droop and flaps, cuz that's what the harrier is about. Even if the FM is semi-AFM, I'll still buy it because I always loved the Harrier.

[robmlufc]

http://info.publicintelligence.net/AV-8B-000.pdf

[WildBillKelsoe]

http://info.publicintelligence.net/AV-8B-000.pdf

 

Thank you for this!

[SGT Coyle]

So whats the story with the Harrier? Is this thing a Go or No Go?

[near_blind]

Literally everyone on the forum besides yourself got a download link last week. It's spectacular. AFM thrust vectoring, AA and AG radar, accurate 3d model down to the rivet...

 

 

 

But really, all of their DCS talent appears to be going towards the T-2 at the moment. Once that is completed and released Razbam will probably give us a more definite timeline regarding their other projects, Harrier included.

[The_Pharoah]

I'd of preferred if they completed the AV8 rather than the T-2..hmmm...AV8 = currently deployed/battle tested fighter jet....T-2 = old training a/c, not deployed to combat (that I could find anyway)...what were they thinking???

[outlawal2]

I'd of preferred if they completed the AV8 rather than the T-2..hmmm...AV8 = currently deployed/battle tested fighter jet....T-2 = old training a/c, not deployed to combat (that I could find anyway)...what were they thinking???

 

Maybe they were thinking "This forum is full of negativity.. Look what happened to Kinney Interactive when they tried to jump in with the F-35.. Better start small or everyone will bitch."

 

And then people bitch anyway... Proof that no matter what anyone tries, someone will complain..

[Grimes]

So whats the story with the Harrier? Is this thing a Go or No Go?

 

I think the goals for Razbam were to work on the T-2 then A-7 then the F-15E or AV-8B. So as much as I want to shoot a terrorist who is stuck to my sidewinder through a building as soon as possible, I think I'm gonna have to wait a while.

[schkorpio]

AV-8B. So as much as I want to shoot a terrorist who is stuck to my sidewinder through a building as soon as possible, I think I'm gonna have to wait a while.

 

That better be an Instant Action mission! :)

 

It makes perfect sense, but it is a shame we have to wait till the T-2 is done before the exciting ones are done.

[PFunk1606688187]

FSX is VERY limited to what the devs can do to the Flight Model and systems.

 

DCS = next to unlimited capabilities..

 

Yes and no. There is progress always in improving the inherent limitations.

 

Recently Majestic has come out with their version of the Dash 8 Q400 and its put forward some exciting ideas.

 

For those wondering wtf this is, pic below.

 

 

 

They apparently route all FM related stuff through an external flight model separate from FSX, so its apparently more accurate than you could get from being within the game. I'm not sure how significant this is as I've not put a lot of effort into reading into it, but its progress at least.

[WildBillKelsoe]

I want DCS: AV-8B Harrier.. NOUWWW!!!!

[near_blind]

They apparently route all FM related stuff through an external flight model separate from FSX, so its apparently more accurate than you could get from being within the game. I'm not sure how significant this is as I've not put a lot of effort into reading into it, but its progress at least.

 

It was my impression that both VRS and A2A do this as well with the F/A-18E and Accusim respectively.

[Python]

I'd of preferred if they completed the AV8 rather than the T-2..hmmm...AV8 = currently deployed/battle tested fighter jet....T-2 = old training a/c, not deployed to combat (that I could find anyway)...what were they thinking???

 

I think they were thinking of starting with something a little easier for their first DCS module. I want the harrier as much as anyone, probably more so but I'm happy to wait for them to be fully confident developing for DCS world before they put it out. Longer wait but ultimately... better Harrier :thumbup:

[Mike Busutil]

Video I took last year of the AV-8B Harrier demo :D

 

[aaron886]

Every few days someone posts in here saying "Is this thing still happening??"

 

Yes it's still happening. No, not right now, so sit on your hands until RAZBAM shows you something. Otherwise... stop asking, it won't help! :)

[Lord_Pyro]

Why don't you tell them the truth?

 

Guys you are totally right, u haven't heared news for some weeks now, so the project is cancelled, no need to check back ever again,

[Silver_Dragon]

DCS: W 3rd party modules making is an extensive and complicated work, try to request information on certain products is something big difficult. The initial projects are always complex, we have examples in the same RAZBAM, Coretex, VEAO, or Beczl Albatros team, but if the teams are small. Until you get to complete a project, it is difficult to see others in progress (need to gain experience in this regard). The AV-8B Harrier is a project still more complicated, because you have to combine both the flight of a device, such as takeoff and vertical landing. It is not uncommon that have to be curbed latter as has happened with the A-7 Corsair II. You have to have some patience and wait events.

 

Much less, put cancellations opinions without providing evidence.

[Ells228]

And shares the learning to help each other out.

Although of course each aircraft is different in its requirements.

 

I can't wait to fly the Harrier in DCS, even in normal flight peofile to start with. One of my favourite aircraft!!

[marker]

DCS: W 3rd party modules making is an extensive and complicated work, try to request information on certain products is something big difficult. The initial projects are always complex, we have examples in the same RAZBAM, Coretex, VEAO, or Beczl Albatros team, but if the teams are small. Until you get to complete a project, it is difficult to see others in progress (need to gain experience in this regard). The AV-8B Harrier is a project still more complicated, because you have to combine both the flight of a device, such as takeoff and vertical landing. It is not uncommon that have to be curbed latter as has happened with the A-7 Corsair II. You have to have some patience and wait events.

 

Much less, put cancellations opinions without providing evidence.

 

 

I think it may have been a slight touch of sarcasm in Lord_Pyro's post! :)

[Python]

haha... sarcasm always seems to get lost in translation.

[Lord_Pyro]

:)

Maybe that post wasn't directed at me but at the one who asked things in the first place.

[WildBillKelsoe]

Some questions about Razbams harrier

 

1. The flight model.. Are we expected to see the same flight model from FSX in DCS?

2. Why does engine black nozzle smoke appear at times and other times dont appear

3. On seeing a real life harrier pilot vid on youtube, he does not slam the throttle to takeoff, but rather does it in increments. I tried your fsx version and there is nothing about the rate to VTOL.

 

4. Do I use the water supply all the time on landing or just on VTO? I know it affords 90 secs of engine cooling but what about the JPTL? Is it recommended for VTOL?

 

5. Back to FM.. When landing with the same takeoff AoA, I always topple on the nose, even though I've softly touched the runway.. Are there any planned improvements for fsx version?

 

6. Naming.. The harrier 2 plus is the mk-2 update or is it the older one? I dont see the download link on your site for mk-2 update. Thx

[joey45]

It will [probably] have a lot better FM then in FSX

[SkateZilla]

ALOT better.

[joey45]

With all the systems properly integrated/working better then in FSX.

 

Some say that ED's rendering engine is alot better then MSFS/FSX one....