Future Weapons

[Hamblue]

Just watched an episode of future weapons on discovery channel about the A-10C. I learned something good and bad.

Good: Our sim is better looking, although the military has a moving pit.

Bad: The A-10c has JDAMS, we don't.

[TordinVarglund]

Yes it does.

[smnwrx]

sure we do.

[joey45]

Eerrrrr , yes we do.

[Hamblue]

We have JDAMS? GPS Munitions?

Do tell.

 

Left out another. They have maps other than the one we have.

Short version can be found here.

The JDAM has 30 mi range dropped from 30k

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/other-shows/videos/other-shows-future-weapons-videos.htm

[cichlidfan]

We have JDAMS? GPS Munitions?

Do tell.

 

Page 73; DCS A-10C Flight Manual

 

GBU-38

The GBU-38 is a standard Mk-82 general purpose bomb fitted with a GPS guidance kit. This kit, referred to as the Joint Directed Attack Munition (JDAM) kit, turns an ordinary Mk-82 into a precision guided munition with a significant stand-off glide range.

[Grimes]

Oh I miss the Future Weapons guy... over emphasizing EVERYTHING to make it sound cooler.

[Azazel]

Just watched an episode of future weapons on discovery channel about the A-10C. I learned something good and bad.

Good: Our sim is better looking, although the military has a moving pit.

Bad: The A-10c has JDAMS, we don't.

 

Haha, I'm wrong sometimes too, ask anyone who knows me. The real question is: will we get the dual track capable weapons that have both GPS/laser guidance?

 

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/PavewayIIDualModeLaserGuidedBomb.html

[GGTharos]

That is a very, very recent development.

 

The JDAM has 30 mi range dropped from 30k

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/other-shows/videos/other-shows-future-weapons-videos.htm

[Azazel]

That is a very, very recent development.

 

Very true, and I don't expect them in the near future.

[Blaze]

Oh I miss the Future Weapons guy... over emphasizing EVERYTHING to make it sound cooler.

 

That and always talking very quietly, even when excited.

[Sierra99]

We have JDAMS? GPS Munitions?

Do tell.

 

Yup...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Direct_Attack_Munition

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/gbu-31.htm

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/gbu-38.htm

[shagrat]

We have JDAMS? GPS Munitions?

Do tell.

It is called a GBU-38 or GBU-31 basically the Mk82s and Mk84s with GPS guidance kit... it's all in the manual, did you read the part about weapons employment before pulling trigger buttons:megalol: ...just kidding.

 

The GBU-38 (JDAM, GPS Guided bomb) was the first bomb I dropped back in the A-10C beta.

[311Gryphon]

Oh I miss the Future Weapons guy... over emphasizing EVERYTHING to make it sound cooler.

 

Totally. And either he got stuff wrong at times or the producers/writers of the show did. That show was fun to watch but annoyed me to no end. A guy hosting a show like that should know the difference between a 7.62 X 39 and a 7.62 X 51

 

[mmaruda]

Oh I miss the Future Weapons guy... over emphasizing EVERYTHING to make it sound cooler.

 

No one was better at "firing rounds down range" than him.:lol:

[Hamblue]

Love the show. Some good stuff.

Still haven't figured how to get a GPS lock though, just Laser lock.

[Robin_Hood]

IIRC, just lock with the TGP and coordinates should be automatically passed to the JDAM, I think.

[pyromaniac4002]

IIRC, just lock with the TGP and coordinates should be automatically passed to the JDAM, I think.

 

Yep that works, as long as TGP is set as SOI. When you press the fire button, the coordinates are taken from whatever is presently the Sensor of Interest (again, SOI) and passes that in to the bomb's GPS guidance.

 

So in other words you can use a steerpoint/mark point from your CDU or the HUD Target Designation Cursor in addition to the TGP for telling the bomb where to go.

[Madone]

^^^ and the bomb is released with the CCRP mode.

[311Gryphon]

Love the show. Some good stuff.

Still haven't figured how to get a GPS lock though, just Laser lock.

 

The only way I've done it yet is by setting a mark point on my target. I know there is an order in which to do things and I'm new enough that I can't tell you exactly how I did it, but I believe your SPI will default to your Steer Point and if you set your Steer Point dial on your Auxiliary Avionics Panel to "Mark" you will be able to cycle through Mark Points instead of your Flight Plan Steer Points. So you can set Mark Points on all your targets and then with HUD as SOI you can cycle through them using DMS and employ your bombs fairly rapidly. With HUD not as SOI you can still use your UFC to cycle quickly so it's all good.

 

Like I said, I'm not really clear on exactly how to do all of that so I may be missing some stuff. Here is a video on it, although it is not the video I was trying to find.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a90k8RYxn6c

 

 

EDIT: You're SPI will default to your Steer Point IF and ONLY IF you don't designate a different SPI.

[Yellonet]

The only way I've done it yet is by setting a mark point on my target. I know there is an order in which to do things and I'm new enough that I can't tell you exactly how I did it, but I believe your SPI will default to your Steer Point and if you set your Steer Point dial on your Auxiliary Avionics Panel to "Mark" you will be able to cycle through Mark Points instead of your Flight Plan Steer Points. So you can set Mark Points on all your targets and then with HUD as SOI you can cycle through them using DMS and employ your bombs fairly rapidly. With HUD not as SOI you can still use your UFC to cycle quickly so it's all good.

 

Like I said, I'm not really clear on exactly how to do all of that so I may be missing some stuff. Here is a video on it, although it is not the video I was trying to find.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a90k8RYxn6c

 

 

EDIT: You're SPI will default to your Steer Point IF and ONLY IF you don't designate a different SPI.

In CCRP, the bombs will drop on the SPI, it's that simple.

[Yellonet]

Totally. And either he got stuff wrong at times or the producers/writers of the show did. That show was fun to watch but annoyed me to no end. A guy hosting a show like that should know the difference between a 7.62 X 39 and a 7.62 X 51

 

The best part 0:20 - 0:28 :lol:

[ENO]

Dropping the 31 or 38 is a set it and forget it evolution. No worry about mark points etc.

 

Find your target in your tgp. Good for stationary targets only.

 

Press tms up long to set your spi.

 

When you get a man release indication hold the bomb release down for about 2 seconds. It is at this time where the coordinates and data are uploaded into The bomb.

 

Mission complete.

 

The only issue is that if you are further away and are setting a spi at a steep angle, your spi may be much further away than you want. Lets say you set you spi on a tank and aim at the turret.l 6-7 feet off the ground.

 

When your spi is set it's looking at the geographic location of your mark- not considering that there is an object between you and it. If you don't monitor your spi- when you drop your bomb will likely land 50-100 feet wide.

 

There is a trick to firing your laser briefly while generating spi to get a proper distance reference but for the life of me I have never done it and can't remember how.

[Jona33]

 

There is a trick to firing your laser briefly while generating spi to get a proper distance reference but for the life of me I have never done it and can't remember how.

 

Fire laser, press TMS up long to create SPI, release laser, drop bomb. The laser means the plane "sees" something there and gets an accurate range.

[311Gryphon]

In CCRP, the bombs will drop on the SPI, it's that simple.

 

Yes, it's just a matter of preparing for a multiple target/multiple release situation on a single pass such that you can quickly and easily switch your SPI. There may be an easy way to do this with the TGP but I find slewing it to be too cumbersome when I'm in a hurry (at least if the targets aren't sitting near each other). So setting up multiple Markpoints seems to be a very cool way to do it.