DCS F-35A

[Prophet]

:lol:

 

Wow tough crowd! Relax Champ! Your panties are still intact!

 

You're the one crying about a dead link and my panties are twisted? :music_whistling:

 

Cool story, bro.

[Sven2157]

You're the one crying about a dead link and my panties are twisted? :music_whistling:

 

Cool story, bro.

 

What are great community!

[Kaiza]

Eh? Link ain't dead for me fullas.

[pyromaniac4002]

What are great community!

 

I see you're really trying to kick the hornet's nest. Negative rep earned and recorded. :thumbup:

 

Looks like the link works now, by the way. Eat your heart out.

 

EDIT: Sniped!! Still, this guy.. Obvious troll is obvious.

[Sven2157]

I see you're really trying to kick the hornet's nest. Negative rep earned and recorded. :thumbup:

 

Looks like the link works now, by the way. Eat your heart out.

 

EDIT: Sniped!! Still, this guy.. Obvious troll is obvious.

 

What are you on about?

 

I simply made a little fun of the blank image, and what the modeler said.

 

Good God! What is with you people?! Someone doesn't think exactly like you, and you call them names and bash them?

[pyromaniac4002]

What are you on about?

 

I simply made a little fun of the blank image, and what the modeler said.

 

Good God! What is with you people?! Someone doesn't think exactly like you, and you call them names and bash them?

 

Not really. Actually the -1 has nothing to do with your opinion on F-35, and I don't know if saying someone's exhibiting "troll-like" behavior is really crossing that threshold in to "name-calling." When somebody is needlessly rude and insulting (i.e., to Prophet), I have no qualms about calling it out.

[Sven2157]

Not really. Actually the -1 has nothing to do with your opinion on F-35, and I don't know if saying someone's exhibiting "troll-like" behavior is really crossing that threshold in to "name-calling." When somebody is needlessly rude and insulting (i.e., to Prophet), I have no qualms about calling it out.

 

Ok, so.. him telling me to 'grow the F-up!' is perfectly acceptable? C'mon man...

[Nait]

What will happen to my money, if the goal of 75.000 Dollar will not be reached?

Sory for my bad english

[Starkiller]

I can see the picture fine. May be it is your pc have bad radar, Sven.

[Starkiller]

What will happen to my money, if the goal of 75.000 Dollar will not be reached?

Sory for my bad english

 

Nothing would be charged.

[kk0425]

Back on topic...

 

The kickstarter isn't looking so hot. I think the goal was set a little high, but I'm still hoping it works out in the end. I really want to fly this bird. Maybe we'll get some last minute donators?

 

 

Also some more pictures to increase hype. :thumbup:

 

 

 

[Kuky]

 

I see one very positive outlook to having F-35 module... very simple cockpit recreating for home pit :thumbup:

 

but I am still very skeptic about it in DCS as the aircraft is not even in active service yet :noexpression:

[smnwrx]

Back on topic...

 

The kickstarter isn't looking so hot. I think the goal was set a little high, but I'm still hoping it works out in the end. I really want to fly this bird. Maybe we'll get some last minute donators?

 

I hate to say it but this it most likely the case IMHO. I thought the mig was a pretty big deal being the first fast jet an all, it was no where near this lofty. It kinda made me realize the guys that do this are most likely not rolling in piles of cash for all the hard work they put in. My fear is that KI will realize the market is not what they thought and go a different way. I am just speculating and hope I am way off the mark. If i am wrong and they make thier goal i will have no problem eating crow, I want this as bad as anyone else.

Edited June 30, 2013 by smnwrx

[Dudikoff]

Why would you see anything other than a 3D model right now? The whole reason they're on Kickstarter is to get the initial funding to start working on this.

 

To demonstrate a proof of concept, for instance? As stated before, anyone can put the 3D model in DCS World with some will and effort and help from the forums. But, there are some serious promises being made by this project and just stating "we can do it" before they actually try to play with what the DCS World development environment offers is rather optimistic.

 

75k pays what? One guy for a year? If that's not enough for the whole team, it probably means they'll have to invest some money, which also means they could have done this from the start, worked on this for half a year, make some prototype to demonstrate and then make a serious KS effort to really develop it and finish it. I'd be happy to donate to such a project.

 

Sorry, did you have the full roster of everyone who worked on DCS: Huey? I sure didn't, and I've been flying a UH-1H around DCS: World for a while now (and having a hell of a good time in the process). Strange for some fly by night operation that nobody knows who did what for.

 

Besides the fact that Huey has no advanced systems to be modeled which are not presently in the game, it also came as a fully developed module, not as a Kickstarter project demanding community support. So, how is this relevant?

 

Jeez, I'm offline for half a day and all of the skeptics decide to fill a few pages worth of material with all but libelous accusations that this is some kind of fraud. Look, this thread is real simple, if you want an F-35 in DCS, kick in a few bucks at your discretion. If you don't (this includes those who will find any and every reason to criticize this project or its developer), you keep your money right in your pocket.

 

Nobody said it's an outright fraud, but there are doubts about what can be delivered. It's a thread about the DCS:F35 Kickstarter page. Should it contain only posts with expressions of joy and happiness or can it actually be discussed? Besides, are you a moderator on these forums or what?

 

It's like it doesn't matter what anybody says to the contrary, you're just going to bury it in text so a handful of people will see it before it's 4 pages back in the thread anyways.

 

Like you're burying it now with your insinuations of some vendetta, blatant posting and such? :)

 

All these arguments to the contrary seem to come down to "Everything is there plainly written on the KS page"..

Edited June 30, 2013 by Dudikoff

[Rotorhead]

If he had a fully functioning model within DCS then he wouldn't need the Kickstart would he? And he would be selling the module right now..

 

I know that if I was starting a project I wouldn't complete it (Which is pretty much what the naysayers are asking for) before I had the funding in place...

 

So basically what this thread has turned into is a handful of naysayers expecting to have a fully working model in DCS along with the names and social security numbers of every member along with a comprehensive background and resume for everyone that is going to work on the project...

 

True, but look at Beczl for example. He already did addons for FC before, and he showed us pretty big share of his work before and during his campaign.

 

The basic idea was: He has the knowledge, he has the skills, he's already got some work done, but he doesn't have enough money to make it to the finish (or at least not in this decade). For me, that's all signs that it's relatively low-risk investment.

 

KI, on the other hand, has done nothing for DCS before. They have zero experience with this platform, and no work done to base the following progress on.

 

And nobody here is asking for a fully working model, so please stop twisting my words. What I'm asking for is a partially working model. At least basic 3D model with simple FM, flying in DCS. Bugged, unfinished, without avionics and stuff, but basically working. So we can say "This guy apparently knows how to do it, he just don't have the money to get it done." But that's not what's happening here, sorry.

 

Give me a break... You MIGHT get that kind of transparency if you were funding the ENTIRE project but for $50 get real... (And I don't recall getting all this information from Belsimtek and they put out the excellent Huey module)

 

Stop comparing incomparable. When Belsimtek came up, they already had a working Huey to show us. And they asked no money beforehand. Once you paid for it, you could fly (almost) fully working Huey just minutes later. And we can see their another project, the Mi-8, to be at pretty high stage of progress as well. There I have no problems giving my money.

 

But, if they came, let's say, two years earlier, before they started with the Huey, saying "Hello, we re the guys from Belsimtek, we have no previous experience, we have nothing done so far, and we cannot show you any proofs, but here we promise we will deliver an excellent Huey sim in less than a year", I wouldn't give them anything.

 

Nobody here says KI is unable to start from nothing and make it happen (just like Belsimtek did - after all, all of us started somewhere, right?) but right now, there is no evidence to support it. That's all.

 

This forum bitches about wanting new modules and "Wish Lists" and the like and then someone shows up and is pretty much called a liar and a crook for three pages..

 

I especially like this part of your post. Read this thread properly and you will see that nobody (except few trolls maybe) called anybody crook and liar.

 

Being a liar and having no evidence to support one's promises are two distinctly different things, but both are a good reasons for me to not invest my money.

 

So again please, stop twisting our words and basing your accusations on clearly faulty logic. You just decided otherwise than we did, no need to defend yourself (and KI) such a personal way.

 

Way to better the place! I commend you all..

 

Thanks, your commendation really gladdens my heart...

[Wolf Rider]

I see you're really trying to kick the hornet's nest. Negative rep earned and recorded. :thumbup:

 

Looks like the link works now, by the way. Eat your heart out.

 

EDIT: Sniped!! Still, this guy.. Obvious troll is obvious.

 

Nope... still not working link :huh:

 

 

gotta laugh though... somebody says something which someone doesn't like, and they get labelled as troll (that's certainly a high calibre debating technique that is :cry: )

Edited June 30, 2013 by Wolf Rider

[pyromaniac4002]

Back on topic...

 

The kickstarter isn't looking so hot. I think the goal was set a little high, but I'm still hoping it works out in the end. I really want to fly this bird. Maybe we'll get some last minute donators?

 

Well, it's only the 2nd day in a 15 day period, so who knows. They've said that regardless of whatever happens with Kickstarter, they're moving ahead with F-35A. I'd just take it to mean they couldn't do so at the pace they would otherwise. And they'll honor some of the incentives from KS too (OPEVAL was specifically mentioned, but I don't know about anything else), so seriously, everybody who wants to fly this jet should kick in their $50 now, get their OPEVAL access, and maybe manage to fund this thing so they can really get cracking.

[Taproot]

Will they trie a new kickstarter if the goal is not reached?

[sorcer3r]

I don't have a facebook account.

 

Can someone ask them on their facebook page how they will create the AFM for F35? Do they have access to some documents?

 

 

On their homepage they say that there is already a lot of avionic stuff unclassified. Maybe someone can ask them on their facebook page if they have access to some documents (and these are?).

 

 

Some more answers about questions like these and I assume more "hardcore" simmers are willing to support this project. ;)

 

 

 

 

We have started a Q&A thread on our facebook page where David is answering questions from the community - if you have a genuine question about the DCS F-35 and would like him to answer it, please submit it as a comment on the Q&A. Thanks! :)

[pyromaniac4002]

Nope... still not working link :huh:

 

 

gotta laugh though... somebody says something which someone doesn't like, and they get labelled as troll (that's certainly a high calibre debating technique that is :cry: )

 

Well there's obviously something going on with peoples' internet connection and whatever server they're hosting it on. Try this.

 

 

There's absolutely nothing to do with "debating," the guy was straight up rude and insulting after making an obviously snide remark that rubbed somebody the wrong way. If you want debating, I think I've done enough of that for one day in this thread, so have a look-see for yourself. Baiting somebody else in to an argument, more specifically making it a personal issue, that's pretty textbook troll. But you go ahead and think what you like.

[Starkiller]

Nope... still not working link :huh:

 

 

gotta laugh though... somebody says something which someone doesn't like, and they get labelled as troll (that's certainly a high calibre debating technique that is :cry: )

 

I can see the pic in that link just fine, probably your connection or firewall policy... :)

[Wolf Rider]

~, probably your connection or firewall policy... :)

 

probably not

 

 

@ Pyro... Thanks, that link works... but as for your other, and by your own definition, that would make Prophet a troll also. Surely, that isn't really the case now, is it?

 

as for the add on, well... I do wish you guys there all the best and hope it works for you, but, and but, the approach you're taking doesn't quite seem to be working all that well. You're not just pitching shiny things to a bunch of suits in an office boardroom here, or for that matter children in a playroom... The corporate project management approach, won't do the sim any justice and calling people "trolls" (namecalling) will certainly get more offside, than on. - just something to keep in mind

Edited June 30, 2013 by Wolf Rider

[Starkiller]

probably not

 

What do you suspect cause the problem then? Definitely not the server side as many others can see it.

[pyromaniac4002]

To demonstrate a proof of concept, for instance...

 

Okay, it's 2:40 in the morning here, I hope you won't mind if I go for the abridged version:

 

You're making an awful lot of noise for something which really revolves around KI's choice to initiate their KS funding effort now rather than later, but you don't say that, you say it in a diatribe of every aspect that's a result of that choice. You're not sold on what they've presented you. Fine. Wait it out and be cautious. It's not stupid. Everything I've ever said on the subject was to just present very logical reasons to be less critical that most of these naysayers (so far as I can remember at the moment, not you for the most part) are clearly overlooking. What is stupid though is that you're needlessly trash talking this project, when really your only complaint is that you would have them start their fundraising project when they're further along in development so you can feel like your donation is a little more assured to result in a fine product (though by virtue of the name "Kickstarter" I would expect it to be done closer to the start than not). What constitutes reasonable doubt for you is not the same as for most of the people here, and in the meantime you're putting an awful lot of effort in to something that clearly undermines this project and the wishes of everyone who has set up their contribution.

 

You don't have anything to lose, but other people do.

[TimeKilla]

 

Hope that helps.

 

Moved it to DCS web-hosting.