DCS F-35A

[Napa]

No, not even close. Wags endorsed it from day one...

 

Yes day 1, a lot happened in the forums that day as far as I remember.

 

You're no different from the naysayers that didn't take the time to read anything and immediately went on the attack...

 

I pledged in as well and I wish them a lot of success. Also if you read the aforementioned thread you can see my comment on the 4th page if I remember correctly of how supporting I was.

 

 

I disagree, again, you jump to too many conclusions.

 

I hope you are right.

 

 

 

They marketed the product to the customers. They don't have a COD budget to do TV ads...

 

Now here I disagree, I know my job very well and I know for a fact that you don't need to have a COD budget to market a product to a niche community of a few thousands. (That would be a waste of money). All I'm saying is that the whole process could've been done much more effective.

 

Spend a few more thousand to market the product better.... I think you really missed the point of going the crowd-funding route...

 

Do you think 1000-2000 thousand more bucks to create a proper marketing strategy before launching the kickstarter is a wrong move? The goal of the kickstarter is $75,000 in 2 weeks. If it was $76,000 or $77,000 would it made a lot of impact considering they added pledges of up to $3000?

 

Don't take me wrong mate. I'm really going to enjoy this product. I've been dreaming for a proper F-35 sim since the EIDOS 1998 JSF sim.

 

Hopefully the kickstarter will reach the goal and we can all enjoy the F-35 sooner than expected.

[Wolf Rider]

Nice thought but not a chance... The negativity will continue as many of these people are sad, paranoid creatures that have an inherent need to try to bring down anything that is worth attaining..

 

There has been plenty of information, statements, reassurances etc. to alleviate the negativity for thoughtful individuals... The rest will continue to be negative even if a 100% accurate F-35 was GIVEN to them for free tomorrow morning..

 

They would simply bitch that they weren't properly notified before KI were so inconsiderate as to drop it on them with zero notice...

 

Forget them and let's focus on things that matter..

 

 

 

and some get overly excited and behave in the opposite of what you describe

[Rotorhead]

There has been plenty of information, statements, reassurances etc. to alleviate the negativity for thoughtful individuals...

 

I wish I were as thoughtful as you are, to see hard evidence where actually is none. All reassurances I heard were Mr. Kinney's statements like "We are sure we can do it" or "You will not be disappointed". These are surely evidence of his enthusiasm, determination and dedication (which are good signs indeed), but he would not be the first nor last over-optimistic person who got burned.

 

The rest will continue to be negative even if a 100% accurate F-35 was GIVEN to them for free tomorrow morning..

 

Of course they will. Of course. Very thoughtful mate. :doh:

 

Maybe some of them would be actually very happy to see F-35 in DCS, they just haven't seen enough to be convinced and risk their money (no matter how small amount of it).

 

But hey, it's easier to just throw them all in one bag and diminish them as bitter, spiteful and mentally ill individuals, right?

Edited July 5, 2013 by Rotorhead

[sobek]

Seriously, what's the point of being so critical of this project at this point? You say yourself that you have no data to go by, but that goes either way, positive or negative. There is nothing, i say again, NOTHING for you at stake. I'm not convinced myself that they can really pull this off, but you don't see me knocking KI over and over. I can see that they are very confident and that their project lead is certainly someone with experience in the field, so i say let's see what they can come up with and judge them by that instead of griefing this thread day in day out. It get's a little old, don't you think?

[Aginor]

I'm also (a bit) sceptic, but I pledged anyway and I agree: Just wait and see.

 

But you know... Haters gonna hate. :D

[Rotorhead]

Seriously, what's the point of being so critical of this project at this point?

 

Right now, I was responding to outlawal2's post rather than criticizing the project itself. His words appeared to me like "Everybody capable of thinking was already convinced, those who weren't are bitter, sad idiots who just don't wish KI to succeed."

 

Sorry if I misunderstood it, but that's really the impression his post made on me. Sure, there were trolls, but that's no reason to treat everybody who shows a trace of disbelief like this.

 

As not being convinced myself (and I really hope I don't fit outlawal's definition of nay-sayer), I felt I should respond to this unfair statement.

 

You say yourself that you have no data to go by, but that goes either way, positive or negative.

 

True, and that's why I don't like to see anybody with positive opinion demean somebody with negative one. And the burden of proof, by the way, should really be on the side of one who asks for money.

 

I'm not convinced myself that they can really pull this off, but you don't see me knocking KI over and over.

 

So you don't see me. Trust me, there's a big difference between saying things like "They can never do it", "This project is a joke and I will NEVER buy it" or even "It's a scam", or just stating the fact that I'm not convinced and why. You could see me to do only the latter.

 

I can see that they are very confident and that their project lead is certainly someone with experience in the field...

 

That's what I admit all the time.

 

...so i say let's see what they can come up with and judge them by that...

 

That's what I already said insane number of posts ago.

 

...instead of griefing this thread day in day out. It get's a little old, don't you think?

 

Agreed, I just don't like some people here to present their opinions as more valuable than the of others while they of course aren't.

[Biggles07]

I'm also (a bit) sceptic, but I pledged anyway and I agree: Just wait and see.

 

But you know... Haters gonna hate. :D

 

*nods sagely in profound agreement* Aye, this be true.

 

Just like "Potatoes are always gonna Potate". We need to dig out the wicked roots and dread tendrils of blind Potato based JSF hate and replace them with the 'happy seeds' of F-35 Lightning love. I got chills, they're multiplying. It's electrifying. :lol:

 

Speaking words of wisdom.....Let it be. :D

[schkorpio]

The way I see it is, $28 isn't much to ask, if the whole thing fails then whatever, I've spent $28 on a much worse investment (I'm looking at you Snakes on a Plane in gold class cinema...)

[Cedaway]

I would love to hear from ED on if the DCS engine would even allow the proper representation of the EO-DAS.

 

Not from ED, but from David Kinney, posted on the Kickstarter Forum:

 

'Hello Timothy good question. For those reading this that are unfamiliar with DAS; DAS uses 6 electro-optical sensors, AN/AAQ-37,to improve both the F-35's survivability and it's combat effectiveness. The system will warn the pilot of incoming aircraft and missile threats, provide day/night vision, and support the forward-looking infrared sensor. The implantation of this system is pretty straight forward, however only so much is know about the limitations. We will, early on in its development, set limitations as well as a standardized crew interface and build from there. We will know - through the simulation module- the location, force code, and type of all simulated objects. we can pass it on based on the limitations that WE set - best guess at first, then tighter as more information becomes available. Thanks again...

The DAS provides:

•Missile detection and tracking

•Launch point detection

•Situational awareness IRST & cueing

•Weapons support

•Day/night navigation'

[beaupower32]

Its amazing how clear the DAS cameras are plus how sharp of a picture it has.

[cichlidfan]

Finally, none of this will even be possible without an official deal with Lockheed/Martin.

 

I guess you missed the part where this is licensed by LM.

Edited July 5, 2013 by cichlidfan

[NineLine]

This post has little to do with the F-35; it focuses on the leadership page for KI as it now exists....

 

What would happen if this analysis was brought about any of the 3rd Party Devs, not sure why KI has become somewhat of a punching bag because of the plane they picked?

 

Silly post... sorry.

[SinCityJet]

Actually, it says it WILL be. Show me any kind of official authorization from Lockheed Martin. Hey, I want to believe, too.

 

Here's what he says on his LinkedIn Gold posting.. where he says he's running a 150 million IPO for Kinney Interactive this spring:

 

April 2013 – Present (4 months)Designed, implemented, staffed, and operated the first fully interactive flight simulation center for the general public - FIGHTERTOWN

Designed, developed, and marketed interactive control sticks and throttles

Lead the development and presentation of an IPO valued at $150 million

Designed and Directed all financial operations

Set board agendas and conducted all top level meetings

Directed and planed all businesses activities ensuring continued productivity.

Prepared budgets, cash flow analyses, and profit & loss statements

[EtherealN]

SinCityJet, stop trolling.

 

Yes, trolling. See this question of yours:

 

"What was his rank in the military.. was he a pilot? What did he fly and with whom?"

 

Giving that question to the statement in question simply means you have no clue what it meant, or intentionally misrepresented it.

So I'll give you this opportunity to cease this behaviour and start giving rational objections.

[outlawal2]

Right now, I was responding to outlawal2's post rather than criticizing the project itself. His words appeared to me like "Everybody capable of thinking was already convinced, those who weren't are bitter, sad idiots who just don't wish KI to succeed."

 

Sorry if I misunderstood it, but that's really the impression his post made on me. Sure, there were trolls, but that's no reason to treat everybody who shows a trace of disbelief like this.

 

As not being convinced myself (and I really hope I don't fit outlawal's definition of nay-sayer), I felt I should respond to this unfair statement.

 

 

 

True, and that's why I don't like to see anybody with positive opinion demean somebody with negative one. And the burden of proof, by the way, should really be on the side of one who asks for money.

 

 

 

So you don't see me. Trust me, there's a big difference between saying things like "They can never do it", "This project is a joke and I will NEVER buy it" or even "It's a scam", or just stating the fact that I'm not convinced and why. You could see me to do only the latter.

 

 

 

That's what I admit all the time.

 

 

 

That's what I already said insane number of posts ago.

 

 

 

Agreed, I just don't like some people here to present their opinions as more valuable than the of others while they of course aren't.

 

My response was not directed at everyone that is skeptical, it was directed at the ridiculous individuals that expect to know absolutely everything about everything and want a working model before the work has even been done.. I apologize to those of you with reasonable skepticism and did not intend to lump you in with some of the more ridiculous Trolls that have shown up lately... (Like the poster above asking for proof of college degree and such..)

 

There is certainly reason for skepticism in any endeavor but there is also a resonable way to express it as well. Many of the posters here have taken their doubts and expressed them far and away from anything resembling acceptable behavior.

 

I do not personally know Mr Kinney, but NO ONE deserves this kind of treatment without provocation.

 

I am truly disgusted with where this thread has gone

[Cedaway]

Bah, even u.s. président Obama had to publicly show his birth 'papers'. Human skepticism will always remain one of the most powerful brake to progress... I know haters always gonna hate but judge the final product, not the announce of a product that is not even close to alpha stage or the responsible of the dev company who tries to get the job done...

[Rotorhead]

My response was not directed at everyone that is skeptical, it was directed at the ridiculous individuals that expect to know absolutely everything about everything and want a working model before the work has even been done.. I apologize to those of you with reasonable skepticism and did not intend to lump you in with some of the more ridiculous Trolls that have shown up lately... (Like the poster above asking for proof of college degree and such..)

 

Thank you for clarifying it. Glad to have this one sorted out. :thumbup:

 

There is certainly reason for skepticism in any endeavor but there is also a resonable way to express it as well. Many of the posters here have taken their doubts and expressed them far and away from anything resembling acceptable behavior.

 

I do not personally know Mr Kinney, but NO ONE deserves this kind of treatment without provocation.

 

I am truly disgusted with where this thread has gone

 

Sadly, I have to agree. :(

 

I always loved to participate on this forum, because of its friendly atmosphere, and the reasonable and educated discussions going on here.

 

But for some persons in this thread, it seems no longer be true. I understand that F-35 topic naturally brings a lot of controversy (hell, I'm skeptic too and you know I don't hesitate to express it), but just like you say, some have stepped far over the line.

 

No matter how this project results in the end, I really hope all the emotions will cool down over time.

[Rotorhead]

Human skepticism will always remain the major cause of progress...

 

Fixed that for you. But don't mix up skepticism and mere negativism.

[EtherealN]

Bah, even u.s. président Obama had to publicly show his birth 'papers'. Human skepticism will always remain one of the most powerful brake to progress... I know haters always gonna hate but judge the final product, not the announce of a product that is not even close to alpha stage or the responsible of the dev company who tries to get the job done...

 

Skepticism is the best thing we have as a civilization.

 

What you are referring to isn't skepticism, it's stupidity, malice, prejudice, bigotry and ideology. They all like to use the word skepticism, but that's not what they are. ;)

[Taproot]

I want 10 000 dollars! Now!

 

What is this AWR or What That People keeper asking abort?

[outlawal2]

Thank you for clarifying it. Glad to have this one sorted out. :thumbup:

 

 

 

Sadly, I have to agree. :(

 

I always loved to participate on this forum, because of its friendly atmosphere, and the reasonable and educated discussions going on here.

 

But for some persons in this thread, it seems no longer be true. I understand that F-35 topic naturally brings a lot of controversy (hell, I'm skeptic too and you know I don't hesitate to express it), but just like you say, some have stepped far over the line.

 

No matter how this project results in the end, I really hope all the emotions will cool down over time.

 

I agree 100% and will never try to silence people that have good thoughtful posts and reasonable points of view.. (Even if they are at odds with mine...) I too have my doubts about some aspects of the project, but I also know that ANY project will have it's ups and downs... If others are not comforatable enough with the project, for whatever reason, then don't pledge any cash... And I respect that opinion. But I ask folks please don't shoot the guy down with unreasonable wants and expectations that no one would ever fill under any circumstances and insult him along the way..

[Cedaway]

Fixed that for you. But don't mix up skepticism and mere negativism.

 

:thumbup:

 

Skepticism is the best thing we have as a civilization.

 

What you are referring to isn't skepticism, it's stupidity, malice, prejudice, bigotry and ideology. They all like to use the word skepticism, but that's not what they are. ;)

 

And :thumbup: too

 

Didn't found the more 'adapted' word.

 

(And damn it's hard to write with a tablet... )

Edited July 5, 2013 by Cedaway

[smnwrx]

Pretty sweet!

[Mt5_Roie]

Agreed!

[Flagrum]

Pretty sweet!

That round thing at the very bottom of the console ... that is the start button for the a/c? :joystick: