AndyE Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 In terms of history, the F-35 reminds me of the F-4 Phantom... Guns are a thing of the past along with WVR combat.. oops we were wrong. Last time I checked, the F-35 did have a gun. :music_whistling: You can't kick *** without tanker gas
OB1 Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 (edited) Last time I checked, the F-35 did have a gun. :music_whistling: I was referring to what they said about the F-4.... If I must clarify F-35 is designed to hit from afar, same concept as the F-4 back in the day. Edited July 9, 2013 by OB1
GGTharos Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 All planes today are designed to hit from afar. While the Phantom design was over-optimistic with respect to the missile technology of the time, missiles have become far more effective since then. These aren't your (early, I'll point out) vietnam-era missiles being used here. Same thing with WVR, turning will be mostly off-loaded to HOBS missiles. Through all this, pilots still train for BFM, and the lack of that was the real problem with the F-4. The ROE's combined with the limitations of the missiles made a mess of things, lack of pilot training severely compounded all of that. Case in point: The F-15C has exactly one air to air gun kill out of 100+ kills. The rest have been missiles. Far cry from the oft cited 'Oops' vietnam-era F-4 example. I was referring to what they said about the F-4.... If I must clarify F-35 is designed to hit from afar, same concept as the F-4 back in the day. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
OB1 Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 Your taking my words too literally. Are you saying an F-35 will never be in a situation to merge with an opponent ?
GGTharos Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 I'm saying it may not care to nor need to turn depending on the engagement and other factors. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
GGTharos Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 I'm saying that in olden times that option did not exist in most cases. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
gregzagk Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 From the 1st kickstarter update: Update #1 · Jul 3, 2013 Based on several request for an increased pledge level as well as a way for virtual squadrons and organizations to have their own custom aircraft; we have added two additional pledge levels. If there were requests for higher pledges shouldn't there already be there? There are 4 more days left and it seems that it needs ~500 more people to pledge in order to reach the goal :huh: "ARGO" DCS UH-1H DLC SP Campaign 373vFS DCS World squadron (Greece) - www.buddyspike.net "ARGO 2.0 Project Phoenix" UH-1H DLC Campaign - WIP
Snoopy Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 I'd be surprised if it cracked 30,000 honestly. v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website
ED Team NineLine Posted July 9, 2013 ED Team Posted July 9, 2013 I'd be surprised if it cracked 30,000 honestly. I agree, I think its peaked.. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
311Gryphon Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 I was referring to what they said about the F-4.... If I must clarify F-35 is designed to hit from afar, same concept as the F-4 back in the day. The A model has a gun. I'm assuming the B and C do not to save weight/space. I personally don't think it's wise to get rid of the gun but at the same time I don't know what real world combat is like and maybe they just don't use guns much any more. I don't know. Your reference is valid; however, because often we do get "ahead of ourselves" in regards to technology. It appeared in one of your posts that you said you didn't want the F-35 in DCS. I took that to mean that you thought it shouldn't be there. I know those two statements are not the same, nor is it necessarily relevant (you are able to have that opinion and I certainly don't want to argue your opinion against mine). So I'll just have to leave it at that. I have my own ideas about why the kickstarter hasn't generated more funding (and why I did not chose to contribute to it), but I don't know that it would add to the discussion. http://www.youtube.com/user/311Gryphon i7-8700, 32 GB DDR4 3000, GTX 1080 TI 11GB, 240 GB SSD, 2TB HDD, Dual (sometimes Triple) monitor, TM Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Pro Combat Pedals, TrackIR [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SkateZilla Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 F-16 Kickstarter would crack a Million in a few days... ;P Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
159th_Viper Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 I'm curious to see what the backer vs purchaser ratio would be at the end of the day. I mean, having only 300-odd backers can surely not be indicative of future purchase trends, yes? Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
ED Team NineLine Posted July 9, 2013 ED Team Posted July 9, 2013 I would imagine alot of people arent keen on the kickstarter thing... I mean honestly this is my first one and I still have a little voice behind me telling I shouldnt have... or wait... no... that's the wife... nevermind :) I'm curious to see what the backer vs purchaser ratio would be at the end of the day. I mean, having only 300-odd backers can surely not be indicative of future purchase trends, yes? Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
GGTharos Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 I think it is more indicative of marketing in this case. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Rusty_M Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 I'm curious to see what the backer vs purchaser ratio would be at the end of the day. I mean, having only 300-odd backers can surely not be indicative of future purchase trends, yes? That's entirely possible. As I see myself more as a consumer than an investor, I do not go for Kickstarters myself. In fact, as I'm risk-averse, I tend not to even pre-purchase unless there's something I can use straight away (Like FC3 or ArmA III). My lack of pledge to this kickstarter is in no way an indication of my lack of interest in the project. I certainly am interested and will purchase if it seems good. I can't be completely alone. The world is going mad. Me? I'm doing fine! http://www.twitch.tv/rusty_the_robot https://www.youtube.com/user/RustyRobotGaming
Snoopy Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 F-16 Kickstarter would crack a Million in a few days... ;P I said to a friend yesterday I can't believe a 3rd party isn't working on a 16 and just hasn't announced it. v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website
311Gryphon Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 That's entirely possible. As I see myself more as a consumer than an investor, I do not go for Kickstarters myself. In fact, as I'm risk-averse, I tend not to even pre-purchase unless there's something I can use straight away (Like FC3 or ArmA III). My lack of pledge to this kickstarter is in no way an indication of my lack of interest in the project. I certainly am interested and will purchase if it seems good. I can't be completely alone. You aren't. I intended to join in on the kickstarter until I looked at it (which I normally would not even consider anyway). I still plan on purchasing the module. http://www.youtube.com/user/311Gryphon i7-8700, 32 GB DDR4 3000, GTX 1080 TI 11GB, 240 GB SSD, 2TB HDD, Dual (sometimes Triple) monitor, TM Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Pro Combat Pedals, TrackIR [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
sylkhan Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 I said to a friend yesterday I can't believe a 3rd party isn't working on a 16 and just hasn't announced it. F-16 is for ED. I think some planes/choppers are locked by ED, but i can be wrong.
smnwrx Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 I said to a friend yesterday I can't believe a 3rd party isn't working on a 16 and just hasn't announced it. How likely is it that ED would save that one for some job security down the line?
Snoopy Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 F-16 is for ED. I think some planes/choppers are locked by ED, but i can be wrong. And you think this why? Honestly ED or any other 3rd party is loosing money by the second by not pursing the F-16. v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website
Supersheep Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 Do you think this because of the Viper or because of the other software around and how the products compare in general? The PVC Pipe Joystick Stand How to thread
Vivoune Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 How likely is it that ED would save that one for some job security down the line? Don't know if it's true or not, but tbh ED saving the most popular aircrafts for itself only seems fair and logical. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
sylkhan Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 And you think this why? Honestly ED or any other 3rd party is loosing money by the second by not pursing the F-16. THIS >>How likely is it that ED would save that one for some job security down the line? and to maximise theirs profits when they will be ready to do them. Simple :)
smnwrx Posted July 9, 2013 Posted July 9, 2013 Haha if I had my way we would have all the planes now. ;). I guess the positives I see with waiting are updated technologies, hardware and dev techniques. And of coarse, the people that make it all happen would know where their next meal is coming from
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