guitarxe Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 I'm sorry if this is really dumb question, but I cannot find this information anywhere on the website or on the forums. What's the difference between the Su-25T that you get for free with DCS world, and the $15 one that's labelled "Su-25: DCS Flaming Cliffs" ?
Cobra847 Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 I'm sorry if this is really dumb question, but I cannot find this information anywhere on the website or on the forums. What's the difference between the Su-25T that you get for free with DCS world, and the $15 one that's labelled "Su-25: DCS Flaming Cliffs" ? One is a SU-25A with a fully 3D cockpit. The other is the SU-25T, which will soon have a 3D Cockpit. Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
kontiuka Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 I'm sorry if this is really dumb question, but I cannot find this information anywhere on the website or on the forums. What's the difference between the Su-25T that you get for free with DCS world, and the $15 one that's labelled "Su-25: DCS Flaming Cliffs" ?There are a number of differences: The Su-25T has the following that the Su-25 doesn't: - The shkval tv / ir tracking system - vikhr anti-tank missles - SEAD capability - infrared jamming The Su-25 is more of a rocket and bomb truck and doesn't carry all the electronics that the "T" does. But it is faster and more agile.
splash Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 Both of them have advanced flight model. Su-25 lacks guided missiles.
guitarxe Posted August 27, 2013 Author Posted August 27, 2013 So the Su-25T isn't "inferior" to the Su-25A, although it's free?
kontiuka Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 So the Su-25T isn't "inferior" to the Su-25A, although it's free?Technologically, it is far superior to the -25A. But people like the -25A because it is faster and more manouverable and more of a challenge to fly and do attack runs.
LostOblivion Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 Stop calling it Su-25A. It is called Su-25. Nice plane on that gun... OS764 P930@4 MBUD3R M6GB G5870 SSDX25 CAntec1200 HTMHW
joey45 Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 So the Su-25T isn't "inferior" to the Su-25A, although it's free? The only reason the Cy-25T is free is because Ubis$ft doesn't own it . The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
guitarxe Posted August 27, 2013 Author Posted August 27, 2013 Actually, I meant "inferior" in the sense of it being an inferior game/module/simulation to the Su-25? Like, less features, poorer flight model, poorer AI, less/worse missions, etc etc?
kontiuka Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 The only reason the Cy-25T is free is because Ubis$ft doesn't own it .Yes. It wasn't part of the LockOn series.
Frostie Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) Stop calling it Su-25A. It is called Su-25. Its NATO designation is the Frogfoot-A, to save confusion some call it the 25A, 25vanilla or more appropriately the Grach. Edited August 27, 2013 by Frostie "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
kontiuka Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 It's NATO designation is the Frogfoot-A, to save confusion some call it the 25A, 25vanilla or more appropriately the Grach.And they call the "T" the Toad, just as a nickname though.
joey45 Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 I call it a brick personally.. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
shagrat Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 Actually, I meant "inferior" in the sense of it being an inferior game/module/simulation to the Su-25? Like, less features, poorer flight model, poorer AI, less/worse missions, etc etc? No, it is simply a good plane for starters with a ground attack role on FC3 level. What refers to less complex systems management and none clickable cockpit. it is a fine plane and not "inferior" to any of the Flaming Cliffs planes. No tricking someone into: if you want to really play it you have to get the paid version crap. It is more a matter of personal preference. Some people prefer the A-10C, other love the Blackshark or Huey, and others prefer SU-27 or the free SU-25T :thumbup: Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
kontiuka Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 I call it a brick personally..not affectionately, I presume.
SkateZilla Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 Actually, I meant "inferior" in the sense of it being an inferior game/module/simulation to the Su-25? Like, less features, poorer flight model, poorer AI, less/worse missions, etc etc? NO, They both have Advanced Flight Models, Damage, and Simplified/Non-Clickable Cockpit Systems, Su-25T will have a 6DoF Cockpit in the future (in progress). Su-25T is an Electronic Version, that uses more advanced/guided weapons. Su-25 is a Older version without the electronics, it's also a bit faster and more maneuverable due to the lighter weight. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
ED Team NineLine Posted August 27, 2013 ED Team Posted August 27, 2013 Slightly askew of the topic, what is the difference with the TM and the T? I read a post saying the TM (Su-39) cockpit is the same as the T, obviously the TM can carry different weapons... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
kontiuka Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 Slightly askew of the topic, what is the difference with the TM and the T? I read a post saying the TM (Su-39) cockpit is the same as the T, obviously the TM can carry different weapons...All I know is the TM can carry anti-ship.
SkateZilla Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 Su-25TM uses Modernized Avionics as well as External Radar Pod. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
Frostie Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 NO, They both have Advanced Flight Models, Damage, and Simplified/Non-Clickable Cockpit Systems, Su-25T will have a 6DoF Cockpit in the future (in progress). Su-25T is an Electronic Version, that uses more advanced/guided weapons. Su-25 is a Older version without the electronics, it's also a bit faster and more maneuverable due to the lighter weight. Also more importantly the Su25 is generally flown by much sexier pilots than the Toad and Hog. So get your credit cards out studs. 1 "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
shagrat Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 External radar pod, supports anti aircraft and antiship capabilities and some enhanced avionics... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-25#Su-25TM_.28Su-39.29 Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
Suchacz Posted August 27, 2013 Posted August 27, 2013 The main thing I love on vanilla Su-25 is the old fashioned instrument flying, without any help of fancy MFDs or HUD. One of the most demanding skills in DCS World is landing it in zero visibility conditions using your analog instruments only :joystick: :pilotfly::D Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
Maverick-X Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 One of the most demanding skills in DCS World is landing it in zero visibility conditions using your analog instruments only :joystick: :pilotfly::D Where is the problem with that? I'd like to have something of the size of a 747 with DCS fidelity flight model ^^ Su25 definatly is fun, although target identification is hard. It does not feature a missile warning system nor optics, so double careful with possible Airdefense in the AO
GC1993 Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 I call it a brick personally.. I'd call it a brick s***house in a complimentary way, I've taken multiple SAM hits in both the A and T models and still been able to carry on with the mission! "Frogfoot gives not a damn". :thumbup:
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