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I use to fly the Su and the Mig all the time in 1.02 because they were the harder jets to fly. The F-15 dominated, but I generally did quite well in the Ru birds. In 1.1 it became too easy, so I started flying the F-15 for a challenge online. Unfortunately I've flown it so often I forgot how to fly the russian birds! At the end of the day 1.1 brought "balance" to the game at the cost of realism. I say phooey to that. The only people complaining about the F-15 getting touched up are the guys that are getting their butts kicked DESPITE having the better missiles (ET and 77). Cry me a river. If you are so disadvantaged, then we'll do things like limiting payloads or making uneven teams to offset the amraam advantage. EITHER way, you are going to die, so instead of winging, read some tactics and get better.

Turn off the rep restrictions for just this thread. Please. I'll pay you.

Quoting Scart from Russian side of the forums. Perhaps you should do more research about F-15C being 1/3 of what it is... :music_whistling: The point everyone of you is missing is the fact that it is impossible to create a REALISTIC performance of any jet. This is military tech, things aren't exactly kosher in terms of availability of information, judgment calls have to be made, assumptions on how certain systems perform, and guess what even peer pressure is also a factor. Availability of documents on the US side is far more open than for example on the Russian side. Unlike the US, Russian military companies didn't bother to "advertise" to the public to gain support/financial investments, and only now they are learning to do so. While in the US every time I ride the metro and pass by the Pentagon there are full blown advertisements about F-35s, Tankers and other BS... guess what, do you really honestly think they are advertising 100% factual specification? So, my point is that in every single decision that is made in order to so called bring "reality" to the game there is a judgment call that is made... and that judgment call can go a long way towards overdeveloping one or the other and this effects both sides. The way I see it, and like someone has previously noted, a bunch of F-15 fanboys got together and started flooding ED with various documentation in order to make F-15C better. Great, what we have now is an AIM-120C that entered service in like 96, and based on some sources a variation of it (C5 or whatever) only entered service in 2000... and other various improvements. For example, can someone here with certainty say what engines are currently equipped to the SU-27s? SU-33s? SU-27SMs? that are currently serving in the Russian airforce? Nope, (was actually an argument earlier on the Russian forums) lack of documentation. Can someone with certainty say what algorithm the 27R, 27ER follows to account for maneuvering targets and chaff? Nope, lack of documentation. Can someone with certainty tell us AIM-120C's characteristics? that is currently in service?? Besides "oh its better" "oh its 20-30% faster and has longer range"? Judgment calls are made, and if you are hoping for a world of realism in simulating military systems, all it is is hope... sorry. Go ahead rep me into the negatives, seems to be a popular thing to do around here, for stating my opinion... kthx.

S! All :) Hmmmm.... nice topc ("wild, wild west) First i wanna call GG on HL to show you what is reall lockon, and what is the power of su27 and trash of F15C. I dont know who you are but you are for me only target on my HUD, just like as Pilotaso and many more cosmonauts and come closer baby. That cosmonauts, any of them are not real lockon fighter and dont know what is team work. @ ED - your BIG MISTAKE is your beta testers. Pls post all names here and we will told you who is real pilot from lockon and you will know how you make lockon better after that! :music_whistling: ... but i respect your choice. Now i will show you one of f15c pilot from last RedFlag in 2009. I just wanna show how many ppl dont know fly any plane but know join the game, chose f15c, 8x 120c annnnnnd IM GOD, IM DANGEROS, I HAVE MY F15C = FIGHT ON. :megalol: :helpsmilie: I respect only f15c pilots fotm 104th, because these guys know what is the team work. All lone wolfs like as Pilotaso, im sure in one THING: You are not team player, you dont know fly in formation, you fly alone far away from fight in the cosmos and wait your victim to send 120c and run hehehe. RUN TO HILLS form 15000!!!:music_whistling: Why you (not only you Pilo, i told to all f15 pilots... but you are simbol of COSMOS in LOMAC) dont join in SHORT RANGE FIGHT??? ANSWER: YOU ARE NOT FIGHTERS. :pilotfly: Su27 is not dead GG. Try learn here GG http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/exercise-cope-india-vayu.html , http://vayu-sena.indianmilitaryhistory.org/pix/Su-30_HUD_F-16_Cope_India.jpg :cry: :cry: =SE=, <51> and Russian pilots will kick f15c ass always. BE CAREFUL!!! Last RedFlag is show you all f15 pilots ;). S! =SE=Falcon, SU27 FOREVER P.S. sry on my english

If you ask me, this whole game series should be renamed to 'no you cannot have the ka-52/f-22/f-35/64d/pak-fa/su-33/su-34/EA-18/Eurofighter/Tornado/F-14/Mi-28N/RWR for the BS/AA missiles for the BS/Airwolf/Flying Lawnmower/Enterprise/X-Wing/flying saucer with RWR/RWR with RWR/want me to go on? Call 0800 EAT MY SHORTS' That just had to be said :D

What are chances that ED would release FC 2.0 for download without missions and campaigns since they are gonna take lot of time... I am sure there are many guys who feel like me when I say I don't care about any missions, I just want to have the sim with its fixed and updates... missions can be made later on as free release and this would in turn speed up the release of the 2.0 considerably... and I would gladly still pay the regular amount already specified for the 2.0

This discussion remind me of this picture :)

'Скачать' Вернул по просьбам желающих научиться.

The only F-15 specific improvements are: IFF Cue on HUD (hallelujah, it was about time) Correction of MIL thrust at high altitude (MIL, not AB. Get it?) There seem to be a bunch of you who would like to blow this out of proportion because you either have no clue, or you have an agenda - or both. Missile tweaks have been applied or are being applies as equally across the board as possible. With that in mind, thread locked.

Things are getting bizarre around here, the F-15 in 1.12 is already more powerful than the Flanker yet its getting even more power in 2.0. I don't want to hear my fellow Flanker pilots turn into the Eagle fanboys and start hooting like babies, just hurry up with the update and bring them on in their shiny new uber supped up spaceship so I can feel even better when I knock them on their overdeveloped ass. They might beat me bad but they'll never bring me down to their level. :)

Fanboy World War number 13.... ... it just never gets boring here.

I flew the new 2010 demo today with some upgraded maneuvers over the 2008 display. My team mate Sawamura visited my house and brought his new camera and so we recorded the flight from the desk. We plan to make a new video from this demo in the same style as the so called "Frazer Demo", created by EvilBivol-1. For now, enjoy the track. :) Frazer Demo 2.trk

Yes, it has been discussed. No, it will not change and BTW it is not an issue as it was never an advertised working feature. Would for sure be nice to have though. Very Nice.

It seems like people think real fighter pilots (whereever they are from) would always go into a knife fight instead of engaging enemies BVR. Seriously, where did some of you got this idea from? Im sure not from your particular nations fighter pilots. Maybe from watching too much Top Gun ? And i would like to remind you that we don't want to see any personal insults in this thread. You can post your opinion, but no insults anymore.

F-16 and Mirage 2000 pictures:

I believe I know :music_whistling:, some in here getting worried about the hole thing not only the 120`s, in FC2.0 there u need a valid lock for youre missiles and not just a quick climb to 8000m and wooot ET LA or maddog R-77 and split-s away same goes for such F-15 try's but then they see ok thats a shity plane I stay on my MigY with ET and R-77's hehehe.:smilewink: Or all the nice exploits what u can use in the current Lockon, what fits the tactics for them, are gone as well OMG.:helpsmilie: Soo finally I understand it, because damn ;) u have to change the tactic, and those who fly with " at least near too RL BVR tactic" dosent have to change, and u kill them in the current lockon already, soo I really understand.:megalol:

This is exactly what you need: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=49434 Also, looks like you need a new CPU or at least some overclocking wouldn't hurt. This sim is highly CPU dependant.

Great- Looks cool. I like it well :pilotfly:

Ah yes, Tom Clancy. I've heard, that he made a fantastic and realistic flight sim recently, 'Hawks' or 'Hacks' was it's name, can't remember exactly at the moment, sorry... I've seen a trailer for it somewhere and was impressed by the top flight model fidelity, especially post-stall maneuvers and realistic avoidance of missiles. That really opened my eyes, as I've always suspected, that our 'barrel roll' trick was too simple to be efficient, also that our Lomac/FC jets are far unmaneuverable and underpowered. Think of it - we're in 21st century and advance in technology surely pushed envelope much further, than we are told. And no one ever performed "inverted reversed low alt double cobra" on airshows, not because it's impossible to do so, but because of it's top secrecy! :D

Now 19:03pm European time im on HyperLobby :megalol:

I have yet to see ED take on a 2-seat helicopter in terms of AI and/or human-MP copilot very well. Before that happens I'm not getting excited about any 2-seaters.

I hadn't much time last week, so I started with the gear today. Just a simple beginning but something :D

Some of these posts are real insults to inteligence, and what makes it worse are some of the posters are known LOMAC veterans. Clearly very few want realism, and theres lots more claiming to know what realism is...in their own convenience. Just look at online tracks. The same people claiming the their planes are inferior shoot their missiles in every direction in the hopes of getting someone withtin the seekers reach. I hope these get filtered out with Fc 2.0 and DCS series. Only the ones interested to get the best feel anyone can get short of the real thing will keep coming back, the others will fly aircraft clones with differen 3D shapes in HAWX. What I dont undertant is: if balance is so inportant to some poeple, why wont they design missions with same aircraft on both sides? Or remove F-15's from missions?

This Thread ...... :megalol:

А почему кому-то стыдно должно быть? Что за постоянная шизофрения по этому поводу?Если так стыдно, то что мешает не использовать этот чит? И что значит лентяй? Каждый сам для себя решает как летать и что конкретно изучать. каждый сам определяет что ему нужно от сима, а что нет и не надо распространять свою точку зрения на других. Хочет человек запускать как в реале - пожалуйста! ED представила ему широкие возможности для этого. Хочет человек запускать вертолет по-быстрому, без напряга - пожалуйста! ED представила ему широкие возможности для этого. Человек приходит уставший с работы домой, после тяжелого трудового дня, а дома жена, дети, тещу надо отвести на дачу, мамины родственники приезжают в четверг, дядя просит помочь поменять гидроцилиндр на Камазе и съездить с братом в Новороссийск, знакомый просит оттащить забарахлившую газель на эвакуаторе в техцентр (отказать нельзя, он меня вытаскивал когда я застрял зимой "поймав" колесами канаву). И после всего этого я должен тратить полчаса на запуск и холодную прокрутку ловя пожар ВСУ и отказ гидро от недовключеного тумблера? Я летать хочу!! Вот появится время - буду запускать по реальному) Каждый летает как может и это его законное право) А в ED сидят разумные люди, которые могут смешивать в правильных пропорциях реализм и играбельность) P.S. За миссию спасибо)

You see! You see! All those problems with F-15 - I knew it! Whats the point in bothering with F-15 if its possible to create a level of realism that is equal to that of Tie-fighter? Thats why I advocate for MiG-21-23-27 and Su-15-17 in FC. Sooooo simple radar and missiles and flying and you can find kilonumber of pilots and engineers willing to talk about those :) Cold War was much more fun :thumbup: Besides, the most important thing of them all is not modeled at all - AVAILABILITY ! There are no meanings to simulate available quantities of aircraft and ammunition. No matter how hard you try in (online) mission building, all you get is "day one, hour one". You never see a message "sorry, all F-15/Su-27 were expended, would you like to try and fight with F-5/MiG-21?", or "Sorry, your wingmen were dumb arses that wasted all AMRAAM/R-77, you will have to use 40 yr old missiles", or - even sweeter - "Sorry, no more TV guided missiles here, please fly to a secondary base or use iron bombs" :D

Не согласен с такой постановкой вопроса. Кому не нравится - пусть не используют, нечего сокращать аудиторию без нужды.

Good idea, other things can be downloaded later. I don't even need single player :tomato:

I third that :D I don't care about missions too.... don't play single player against stupid AI.

I second that :D And I raise for a network code that does NOT send all data that I do not need, like truck hitting a speed bump more then 500 km away. (I will not try to propose for a dedicated, remotely operated server. Just in case there are some triggerhappy zealots, like those snobs that gave me negative rep cos I dared to suggest something of my own.) I play only online, never bothered much with campaigns, and if damage models and AI (pathfinding and radar activation) will not be fixed, whats the purpose of delay? Porting FC to DCS environment is good enough for me. Will bring greater modability, at least from what I can see in DCS section of forum. I just hope noone will decide to do anything like "Oh my God! Sergey, you forgot to place 3D screws on license plates on BTR-80! And they have codes from Turkmenistan, not from Kazahstan! Delay! Delay!" Who cares about such details? I plan to either buzz next to them at 350-500 km/h or to blow them up :D

Кто летал в МСФС(углубленно), Ка-50 заведет на раз-два :) На самом деле заводиться очень просто, я даже не помню, какими клавишами выполняется "чит". Когда я первый раз запустил акулу, я не смог завести двигатели интуитивно только потому, что не знал о тормозе винтов(в остальном все сделал правильно). ИМХО не осведомленному человеку в первую очередь надо дать понять обобщенный принцип работы системы запуска: 1. Аккумуляторы питают бортсеть 2. Надо запустить ВСУ, открыв ей топливные краны. ВСУ дает воздух для запуска движков, иногда дает переменый ток, и подпитывает гидры. 3. Запустить двигатели, открыв топливные краны, и отобрав воздух от ВСУ 4. Двигатели питают бортсеть переменным током от генераторов, и питают гидры 5. Отключить ВСУ 6. Если что-то не получилось, включить все тумблеры, и попробовать снова :) По этому принципу заводится практически ЛЮБОЙ ЛА с реактивными двигателями, хоть Ка-50, хоть Су-27, хоть гражданский Боинг.

I think we are probably singing from the same sheet of music at the end of the day...maybe we can give ED a chance to provide a good upgrade before we judge it?

Finally saw this "raw" video (only track before). AMAZING! ;) My most favorite part starts at about 6:00.

As you wish. Bonus: Use Google Translate against this combat formation of the Cyrillic letters.

I had problems with SST direct output issues with my X52 Pro. Saitek Directoutput seemed to cause BSOD on my Vista 32 machine. The BSOD was a "Bad Pool" error. Direct Output, IIRC, is associated with the MFD on the throttle quadrant. Not sure if your X52 has this particular service attached to it, but I just disabled the service and I've had no problems since. Oh, also I have not bound any function to my ministick, also on the throttle quad. For some reason any continuous input through the ministick would cause all sorts of input lag - the buffer would be filled with all ministick inputs and the other inputs would lag behind until the buffer cleared. This could be in the order of 5 to 10 seconds of lag! FYI, I originally had my Shkval slew mapped to the ministick, but since changed it to POV hat 1. Now, no input lag and no BSOD!

Against all odds this thread somehow managed to find a way to be more nerdy than people arguing over aircraft performance specs in a simulator. I salute you all! :D Also, the Galactica > Enterprise. :P

Friendly reminder: According to RL charts, enteprise pwns everything except for the 'villain of the day' and the 'big boss' that blows it up in ever movie or every time-loop retcon episode.

I trust that the people working on LO 2 will do the best they can with limited time/resources available to patch Lock On until ED work on DCS:Fighter. You can't fix everything so... All I care is that reality takes precedence over game balance. Game balance is why the F-15 got gimped in the first place. I will leave it in ED's very capable hands, and the people kind enough to help them as testers, to include what they feel is best for now. All planes are getting some adjustments here and there, not just the F-15. Sure, perhaps the Russian fighters could use more, but then so could the F-15 and A-10. It is already pretty much set as to what is getting updated, I am sure it was hard decision. Just remember that what we are really looking for in terms of realism will come hopefully with DCS. One thing is right, after LO 2 comes out some people will be let down and complain further. I will go ahead, gladly pay for the only modern flightsim that is actually seeing release, and thank my lucky stars. Then wait patiently for DCS: Fighter and give constructive criticism where I can.

Should've Quit while you were ahead, M8 ;) Cannot seem to Hide your Bitterness well, eh? Oh Well, Each to their Own.....As unfortunate as it is to have to Witness your Stellar attempt at Provocation and Trolling, I leave you with a Request: Be Sure to Link us with your Rant-Thread that's sure to Pop up come 2.0 when someone Shoves a Slammer up your A$$....Repeatedly! Sure to be a Hoot :megalol: It's True what they say - It's All About the Pilot ;)

The Flanker myth is over - and FYI, the F-18 and F-16 can and will out-turn a flanker - the F-18 more so. The F-15 and Flanker are very closely matched in turning ability, with the Flanker having a slight edge, moreso at low altitudes - but this is only when the SPEED is the same. If the F-15 is faster, it WILL rate faster. What did you think? That you can pull on the Su-27's stick and magically end up on any USAF fighter's tail? The Su-27 has maybe a couple DPS superiorty over an F-15 .. that's 10% ... not 100%. The idea that you will win a dogfight just because you're in a flanker is a myth. If you don't actually understand what these turn rate graphs mean, and I don't think you do, then you're not really qualified to judge performance ;) And I'll note ... the graphs from RUSSIAN intelligence show relative parity between F-15C and Su-27S. Yes, they overestimated F-15C a little according to USAF charts ... but ONLY a little. Are you saying that you know better than ED developers, who actually have access to material provided from VVS and USAF as well in some cases? @Vekkinho: FC2.

Well you guy`s could make f15 to fly with 1 wing, like that video on you tube, USAF say it`s possible, guy has landend with 1 wing(omfg:doh:), so when i take f15 in game and when something hit me, i still wanna fly even if i have 1 wing:pilotfly:...that plane is a crap, he just have strong support from every freaggin side...

Су́ра (араб. سورة‎‎ в транслитерации Sūrah) — арабский термин для обозначения главы Корана. (см. Вики).

There are many features that could have been added to the Russian planes to make them more "realistic" as well. Yet, those changes are ignored and not taken into account. For example, count down to missile impact that is displayed on the HUD when firing a missile on the SU-27 is not there. Has been there and is documented in the manual for the SU-27SK (export version!) not even talking about the Serial version used in the VVS. Another example is MiG-29S being able to fire on two targets simultaneously. Another example is SU-25 not being able to properly bomb a target due to the way the HUD is static and can not be adjusted at an angle, so the only way to bomb is to dive bomb... What is disheartening is not the attempt to make F-15 more realistic but ignoring the improvements that could have been brought but chosen to be ignored to the other planes in the game. -Sov13t.

Great pics Sniff, as always ;) Tell me how many Fulcrums remain in use with PoAF? I know they're to retire in 2030...

For the love of all that is holy and sacred in this world, DON'T FEED THE TROLL!!! A simple "Cool story, bro" or "lol wut" is acceptable, however.

here's a great site for referance shots > http://www.primeportal.net/home.htm <

Ya, that's what I had in mind. Just something to replace the model currently in the MiG-23 slot. Again, great job! Aero

Thats it!! Re-center your default view how you like it and RALT + Num0 to save. :) Just looked into this a bit further. There is no re-center view key for head rotation (L/R, Up/ Down). There is however a re-center key for head shift tho which is RShift & RCrtl + Num5. If you want a spot on centered default view i recommend the following: - Re-center head shift with RShift & RCrtl + Num5. - Now zoom in full and align your screen with the bottom of the HUD as per pic attached. - Save this view when you have the view centered with RAlt + Num0. - Now zoom back out and save again at your desired zoom. I save the default view when i'm zoomed right in so it's perfectly aligned, zoom out with the keyboard as to not disturb the view with my mouse, re-save and should be all gravy. :)

CH Products profile for Lock On and Black Shark. For the Lock On profile be sure to view the included readme. Here are some features of the CH Lock On profile - Pinky button on CH Throttle used as a shift function to double the amount of buttons available - Air brake will close if open when afterburner engaged - CH Throttle mini stick in mouse mode used as Target Designator Cursor - Repeating key for radar slew for vertical and horizontal and repeating key for RF expected range to target (hold hat button down to repeat) - Macros to release multiple chaff and/or flare with timed spacing - Wheel brakes assigned to rudder toe brakes with deadzone. Press pedals all the way to engage - Laser cooldown override button - PDF and Excel file of controller layout Black Shark CH Profile 08-02-10.rar Lock On CH Profile 08-02-10.rar