AvroLanc

Whoa. You’ve got yourself into a bit of a mess there. The best thing to do is read the early access guide to get your head around the various cockpit elements and all the acronyms. It’s waaaay simpler than you are making out. There are 3x SIGHTS (HMD/TADS/FCR) and many ACQ SOURCES, and the current SIGHT is always being slaved to the ACQ Source, assuming you press slave. The ACQ SOURCE can be selected in a number of ways, but it’s all in the manual. It’s maybe helpful to think of the ACQ Source as a location on the ground, either a literal position or it might be the position under the HMD/TADS line of sight cross. In the Apache, a SENSOR is not a SIGHT. A Sensor is used as a FLIR image for flying/night navigation. Sensors are not used for pointing weapons. The PNVS is usually the pilots sensor, and the TADS can be used as the CPGs sensor. When the TADs is being used a sensor, it can’t be a Sight. (PNVS is never a sight.) So if you’re worried about weapons, ignore PNVS for now. …. And try to purge SPI and SOI from your brain, you’re in the Army now, not the airforce.

I humbly apologise then. Sorry BigN, my bad, a misconception I had.

I don't think this is correct. It's certainly not how it works in SP, and isn't correct according to 'some' documentation.

This has been covered a lot now by everyone from Wags to every SME out there. (We’re so lucky to have so many with this module). It is confusing but you need to have a play and read all documentation carefully. Basically forget SOI and SPI. They don’t apply here and are for jets. Don’t use that terminology. Remember a SIGHT is how you aim weapons. Think of a rifle. Put the sight on the target, and that’s where your bullets and missiles will go. You define the position of the target with the SIGHTs line of sight cross, TADS or HMD. Simple ehh. Later the FCR will allow you to cursor select / cycle a target (NTS) symbol and point weapons that way, but it’s still a sight. An ACQUISITION SOURCE is a way of helping you point your sight at the desired location. Think of someone guiding your rifle sights onto the desired point / target area on the range. It’s fundamentally there for acquiring the target. As you know this can commonly be a ground location, but others as well. You can slave (automatically point) your SIGHT at one one of these ACQ SOURCES. Sometimes though you only get cuing (little dots telling you which way to look) because the Apache can’t physically grab your head and move it, unlike moving the TADs or FCR centreline. The ACQ SOURCES aren’t an ‘extra layer’ between you and the target. If you removed the ACQ SOURCE concept from the whole helicopter, you could still go out and shoot up targets all day long with your 3 SIGHTS (HMD/TADS/FCR), just like the Hind or a fancy Huey. BUT….it’ll be much harder to know where to look, and more time consuming and extra effort to search and point with those 3 SIGHTS. Maybe the confusion is that a SIGHT can also be an ACQ source. (A sight can never be it’s own ACQ SOURCE though, or vice versa). But that’s just the flexibility of the system, you can get pointed to a SIGHTs LOS if it helps you acquire, but obviously situation dependant. An example would be CPG using GHS as ACQ Source and TADs as SIGHT, and slaving. Now the TADS will follow his head, and can be easily deslaved when you find a target. Later on with FCR, the pilot could set FCR as SIGHT and PHS as ACQ SOURCE, and use his head to point the centreline of the radar search area etc etc. Cool stuff.

The TEDAC PNVS mode button is commanding P-HMD symbology correctly, but the underlying video is not the correct video source. It should show the pilots PNVS video (when Pilot in NVS NORM or FIXED), but instead it continues to display TADS video. This TADS video can even be slewed around, which is wrong. The Video display on a MPD when Pilot Sight selected works correctly and demonstrates how the TEDAC PNVS mode should work. See end half of short track below. Please also see this discussion: TADS and PNVS.trk

Hi, The LIMITS message should be triggered when the TADS is slewed to the limits of it Azimuth and Elevation. The message should display in the sight status field to the left of the FOR box. In my track you can see it's missing. You can also see the LOS cross NOT flashing when at the Limits, actually it does in the high elevation limit, but not the other 3. This is also incorrect I believe, as it should flash when at limit. Thanks. TADS and PNVS.trk

The lack of a CUED LOS DOT in the FOR is a bug. It should be there. So not ‘correct as is’ at the moment. The LOS cross should only appear when slaved though. So that part is correct.

So after re-testing this today, it is indeed modeled incorrectly at the moment. TADS video is the only video displayed, whatever the configuration. It was working correctly in Wag's TADS video. So something got out of whack. I've got no time for a proper bug report today I'm afraid.

George doesn’t currently store any target, even though in the voice over he says he does. Maybe he will in the future. But for proper LO/HI LOAL shots, he’d need to be commanded to select the desired point as ACQ source. Which might not always be the last stored point. So it gets complicated, best way is to hop in front seat yourself or do multi crew.

Ok thanks, that’s as I expected. Have you tried this in game much? As CPG I had PNVS button selected (with pilot in NVS NORM) and I got TADS video overlaid with pilots HDU symbology. I could then slew TADs video background around with slew controller…..! I’m pretty sure this is incorrect. Thanks. (Also, I think the ‘Owner Cue’ message is an amusing interpretation. It should say PLT FORMAT / CPG FORMAT instead…..’owner cue’ is just the documentation’s way of labelling it.)

I think the RKT NORM message only applies to the older ORT Optical Relay Tube era Apache, the block I. When heads down in ORT. But NO ROCKETS message is in. Definitely seen it.

Question for those in the know… When I select PNVS button on the TEDAC I’m expecting to see the pilots PNVS video overlaid with his HDU symbology….. Instead I get CPG TADs video overlaid with the pilots HDU symbology… Is this correct? I thought it should show the PNVS as the video source? Thanks.

This is an excellent workaround, and I've been doing it since day 1.....but.....it does mean alot of ACQ source switching for the pilot. Once I've ordered George onto the T point, I might want to have TADS or SKR as acq to have SA on exactly which target he's going for. Is there any change ED can shoehorn in a more direct method? Not sure with current interface, I dunno.

Dude, your attitude is not so great. ‘Bradmick ’ is one of the key SMEs working on the project and is likely one of the many prime drivers in making this module the best EA release since 2010. So maybe dial it back a bit. Bug reports need a track, it’s just the SOP required now.

Some systems are a bit inconsistent with cold start. The little dot is off for the RADAR ALTIMETER as well, and the BLEEDS, and non interactive, but actually working. Hot start - the switch behaves as expected. So a little bugged, but forgivable since the module is still awesome.

No, but there is a manual and a shed load of tutorials.

Why the obsession with removing the hanger? It looks cool, and adds character. Leave it be. There are other animation items that should get much higher priority.

Anyone noticed the animation when you put NVGs on? The crew model flip off the IHADSS and flip down the goggles. All with nice animation. Nice touch, not seen in many modules.

OFF NORM FIXED switch, left knee, left sidewall

Geroge CMBT Mode and Right Short. He flys to your DIR TO.

How on Earth would anyone measure it? Pre order sales numbers…..but ED have never released such figures.

Technically taking multiple shots with 8s intervals is called RAPID fire. All missiles on the same laser code. Using 2 or more laser codes alternating between PRI and ALT codes is known as RIPPLE fire. You can reduce the interval to 1.5s on this case. And there’s a specific launch mode for this. (Not at EA though.).

Does the lack of the Laser Spot Tracker (LST) feel limiting at all? I feel this should be a priority item over the next month or two, after EA release. Thanks.

I use DOS BOX. LB GOLD runs like a charm. You need the 1.04F patch though. With 2 x 40 mission SP campaigns and multiple single missions, and AI that just simply works, it's probably a better experience than DCS Apache will be at launch.

Yeah, it’s hard to make sense of the ‘coming later’ and ‘N/A‘ labels. In some places the FCR and RFI are labelled as NI, but those are clearly coming at some point. There are also vast chunks of the COMM pages labelled as NI. At least some of that should be coming later, IDM text messages etc. The TSD stuff is important because it’s not sensitive (unlike some COMM stuff and some ASE stuff) and will add to the feeling of completeness. Some of it will be also easy-ish to add.