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There is a annoing speed bug that some people explain as "normal" behavior. I cant believe this! I have flown the first Su27 Campaign and at the ground you can clearly see that there is a lose breaking thing @80% RPM but there is no break activated. You have to go to 80% RPM, wether with one or two engines, then there is a "lose break" and the plane accelerates from zero to 90 kph in 1 second. The plane holds this speed till your input is under 72% RPM. Before that the plane accelerates at the same speed even with 72% or 77% or 80%. Under 72% RPM the plane "breaks" on own to zero. If you hit F2 you can see the nossles act even in this range. There is NO analoge input. It's a on/off switch! 80% RPM on ~71% off! The same behavior in the air with something more strange things incomming. In a straight flight you have to go to 80% RPM to accelerate. You even accelerate if you now go under 80% till 72%. If you now go under 72% RPM there is an "Airbreak" incomming. The effect is much more intensiv as with the real air break itself! If I go under 72% RPM I lose every second 15 kph. If I pull the real air break I lose around 10 kph. If I am under 72% RPM the real airbreak has nearly no effect only if i try to sink then the real airbreak add a small breaking effect. The speed display for AI planes on ground is wrong too. Speed is around 30 kph, shown speed is around 76 kph. @ around 10 kph 56 kph are shown. @ Under 610 kph the plane begins a "rudder dance" with autopilot on (A). The "dance" stops @615 kph. You can see this at the external view (F2) that the whole time the rudder and the ailerons are working "together". Edit: Trk upload error all the time

So you can't fly the Su27 precise under 80% RPM? What about this extrem speed ups @ 80% rpm. Digital thrusters? All or nothing? And this "wild horse riding" at ground is normal for russian jets? Hmm... then the Su25/T must be rebuild! This is bird is now wrong like hell. :music_whistling:

All this "new festures" reminds me the F15C PFM release! 90% of the problems are the same. Read the old F15C bug reports and you will find some bugs that are looking very close to the yet known. I hope they will fix all this problems in short!

@Andrei Thanks for the info! :thumbup: I will give it a try.

No.. I have the same Problem and an autobreaking on ground. I need more then 60% Thrustpower to roll this bird, but with this power the bird will get very fast in a few seconds.

:thumbup: I try the same all the time! :pilotfly:

.....now more lively and less forgiving. I like you sence for black humor! :thumbup: I never flew such a beauty in RL but I think this bird needs a little bit help. At ground there is a magical break all the time and a magical wire to hold this beauty down to the runway till 300 kph are archived. The "inverted stall till death" even with nose down and full AB is another magical "trick" I can't believe. And @ 8.000 meters the bird is dancing left and right if your speed is under 700 kph. Over all I like the Su27 but I see the exact same problems we have had at the first F15C beta. Many "magical" stuff but this will hopfully be fixed soon. :thumbup:

If I trimmed the su27 with flaps down to level flight and then pull up the flaps, why is the su27 lift up the nose to the sky? Mustn't it be revers? Drop the nose slow to surface?

OMFG you don't get it, right? And how many of them flew a Cessna or a SU27? So how can they test this Sim? Your logic is still strange...! Indeed.. a funny situation.. very funny...! :thumbup:

Ok come on! That was a flat spin too! :music_whistling: Please look at my tracks and all tell me what I did wrong and you did right to get out of this spins and why was the Su27 magical flipping to flight path after i ejected? Even more I am interested why the Su27 goes in a free fall down (nose to earth) and has no steering reaction? It seems to be that under 300 km/h the Su27 has a magical wire even on the runway. I can't drive the plane on ground. There is all the time a magical break. Under 60% thrust there is no rolling possible! You can find my tracks @ posting #123 and #124

You can find the tracks @ posting #123 + 124

Inverted flat spins till death are now "normal" with this PFM, but I can't believe that this is right. If I eject, the plane often turns magical in the normal flight postion and the engines cumming up. Even with full AB I can't left this flat inverted spin and sometimes I fall down with the nose to earth an even then I have no chance to get the controls back. It feels like the Su27 is hooked up at something, like a magical wire... :music_whistling:

So you ask the tester team? No? Hmm.. let's think about this funny situation? :lol:

And another one! A Stall backwards @250 km/h even with AB no chance to get the controlles back! BetaSu27_PFM_stall flat backwards.trk

Hmm.. the Su27 FM is extrem strange! Today the Su27 was falling down from ~12.000 Meters to ~2.000 meters with the nose to earth and AB @ ~ 280 km/h. And all the time if the Su27 stalls, she flips on the back. If I pull at the stick, there is nearly no response, but after a little time the full input comes in and the Su27 is turning extrem hard and I have again no response with my stick. Compared to the FW190-D and to the F15C the Su27 is flying like an old WW I plane. I can't fly this beauty. It's so frustrating. BetaSu27_PFM_not really.trk

@karambiatos Yep, I have noticed this too! But I don't know why!

Yesterday I flew a little bit around and in a lift up with full AB at a AoA of 15° the engines suddenly blow out. A little bit later I stalled the Su @300 km/h and the engines blow out again. Is this normal? If I try to fly a Su27 display like in RL all the time the engines blowing out if I am near a stall. I have read that the Su27 is one of the planes where the engines didn't blow out so fast and less as fast as a F15C. I have tried the same with the F15C and the engines never blow out. I am a little bit suprised. :music_whistling:

Hmm... I hear more a: "If we are extrem lucky, we will bring EDGE this year but it's already save delayed till 2015." And I think, EDGE will never ever be ready for a release this year. This "hope calling" is more a push down for the bad emotions. I personally would be extrem lucky If I would be wrong at this point, but I was never before, so I don't think I will be proven wrong? :cry:

Thx! Can't wait till the Bo-105 is out!

Do you use internal documents (for internal eyes only)? If not, there is no worry about jail and so on. ;)

They are not testing right now? :(

No, no ,no... the testers have said it's alright, so the real pilots must be wrong! In WWII 90% of the german pilots dying at start... because of flase rudder use yes.. that's the truth... and my mom can fly without wings... onyl with the use of her brain.... believe the simulation testers! :lol:

Wrong wrong wrong aaaaand... what? Yes! Wrong! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNWCSE9BaW0 This is a demo flight but all BO-105 and Tiger Pilots are trained to use trees as cover!

My RC Cobra is a AH1"W"hisky, so I want the Whisky in game! ;)

some OT! All new builds that should coming with EDGE are shifted to the end of November or Winter 2014 (end December 2014 - end March 2015) So I wouldn't bet a cent on a release from EDGE this year. In Decmeber the vecations in the USA are starting and from Januar the "party" in russia is starting. So if EDGE is not at the end of November on our PCs, I think we will get EDGE not until March 2015, more later.