Possibility of other 109 Models as an addon?

As we know the Kurfürst was the latest model of the 109. But in 44/45 The g models where much more likely to see. I would like to know if there are any plans on including g models at some point as well. Maybe as an addon, because a lot of the systems and aerodynamics are the same, for many 109.

I guess that making a other 109 would not really justify to make that a standalone module.

 

TBH i think addons that include other versions of certain aircrafts would work very well in DCS and encourage people that "abandoned" a moduel to try it out once more.

I have been pushing to see other variants as well for all the WWII birds. No idea if it will happen, maybe father done the road when the WWII part is more fleshed out...

 

I'm not expecting anything to soon anyway. But if this sim is really to become the best WW2 flight sim out there it needs mutiple variants. Thanks for the info!

Would hope to see the variants as well. I'm sure down the road there will be. :thumbup:

As we know the Kurfürst was the latest model of the 109. But in 44/45 The g models where much more likely to see. I would like to know if there are any plans on including g models at some point as well. Maybe as an addon, because a lot of the systems and aerodynamics are the same, for many 109.

I guess that making a other 109 would not really justify to make that a standalone module.

 

TBH i think addons that include other versions of certain aircrafts would work very well in DCS and encourage people that "abandoned" a moduel to try it out once more.

 

+1

Didn't VEAO have access to a G-2 or something.

Didn't VEAO have access to a G-2 or something.

 

Eh... VEAO "has access" to a lot of things, so they say.

Eh... VEAO "has access" to a lot of things, so they say.

 

They say they have access to an E-4, and it is on their development list. The G would definitely be a great addition, and would be a glaring gap in the lineup

As much as I like to see more Bf-109 variants in the 44/45 timeframe in DCS, I'd like to see improvements to the damage modelling, visibility and ai more.

I guess I may be of a minority but, I want to see more 40-43 birds going against each other too.

 

VEAO's Emil and early Spitfires & Hurricanes was / is something I look forward to a lot.

 

I'd also love some F or G-2 Bf-109s.

 

As for the late Gs, yeah the more 109s, the merrier but I'm not sure if I'd pick them up over Kurfüst a lot.

I'm with you there WinterH. I always feel this biggest/best/fastest thing is overrated. Truth is, late in the war, the Luftwaffe was a mere shadow of it's former self with inexperienced pilots pushed into combat without sufficient training to be truly effective, plus a shortage of all resources. That can never be simulated, so we could definitely argue that late war stuff is all hypothetical.

 

The periods we can cover with some realism are just neglected it seems.

I can simulate a poorly trained LW pilot struggling to take off in a late-war K-4 or D-9 very realistically, LOL.

 

On the serious note, if they do a Buchon making a G-2 would be relatively easy, since there is already a 605 engine model for the FM, you just need to run it on less boost and adjust weight and 3d model as well. An F-4 would be just a tad more difficult, since its very much like the G-2, both in engine (605A being a very close, up-bored derivative of the 601E).

 

A G-10 would not be hard either (most internal systems being the same as on the K-4), but I am not sure what's the point, given that since we have now the K-4 model with the 109G drag, we have exactly that, a G-10.

 

109E is kinda tricky though, since the engine has significant differences, as is the 3d model and major aerodynamic components like the wing. Its well documented though.

Edited January 8, 2016 by Kurfürst

Yeah. I really think it just comes down to 3D modelling and animation costs more than anything, I think ED has a lot of documentation to cover other variants of released aircraft.

 

Would really love to see these, since it could give mission builders a lot more options to make historical sorties. I especially thinking about the ACG Campaign in that matter. Only having the best Variant in the air would feel kinda wrong.

As much as I like to see more Bf-109 variants in the 44/45 timeframe in DCS, I'd like to see improvements to the damage modelling, visibility and ai more.

 

Strongly agree! I am here recently attracted to DCS for WWII, not modern fast jets at all, so I thought I was going to have a great time in MP when 1.5 was released. However, it has been so disappointing with the model visibility and other problems (like no bomb delay availability for the P51 and lots of other issues too many to go on about) that I have stopped flying DCS again pending the next public release version. Moreover, I am now starting to think that even with the Normandy map I am going to have to lower my expectations, or even give up on DCS. I was so excited about the prospect of WWII with DCS that I invested in a gametrix jetseat (great bit of kit by the way), but I hardly use it since DSC WWII is in the slow lane as far as I can see :(( I can't help feeling pessimistic at the moment and, on a bad day, am wondering if I will even bother purchasing the Spitfire if I can't get a decent on-line MP experience.

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

On a sidenote, IIRC ERLA G10s also used a "newer generation" engine cowling, designed with larger oil cooler and without the blisters, which was initially planned for higher number K models. Im not sufficiently sure about the story though.

 

Given the similarity I dont think the changes necessary would justify a late G model. Especially not, when looking at the competition. I dont think anyone online would choose a higher drag G10/G14 over the faster/ better climbing K4 to be honest. It almost looks the same anyway..

 

What I would really like to see however is the MG 151/20 instead of the MK 108 in the prop hub. That would in my opionion be a nice and easy addition which would see a lot of use. After all it has been already completely modeled for the Dora. Historically speaking it is also completely in line, since MK 108 and MG 151 were pretty much randomly put into planes because of difficulties in supply. :)

 

What I would very much love to see is an F4 or G2 which is modeled to standard (unlike what is presented in BOS for example). That however basically would need a completely new design process. :(

It's not about choosing the variant for air-quake servers, it's about setting up for prototypical period match-ups on appropriate maps.

 

Currently the plane set and projected Normandy map are mis-matched - the 109K and 190D are more appropriate for a Battle of the Bulge style map.

Edited January 8, 2016 by DD_Fenrir

On a sidenote, IIRC ERLA G10s also used a "newer generation" engine cowling, designed with larger oil cooler and without the blisters, which was initially planned for higher number K models. Im not sufficiently sure about the story though.

 

Given the similarity I dont think the changes necessary would justify a late G model. Especially not, when looking at the competition. I dont think anyone online would choose a higher drag G10/G14 over the faster/ better climbing K4 to be honest. It almost looks the same anyway..

 

What I would really like to see however is the MG 151/20 instead of the MK 108 in the prop hub. That would in my opionion be a nice and easy addition which would see a lot of use. After all it has been already completely modeled for the Dora. Historically speaking it is also completely in line, since MK 108 and MG 151 were pretty much randomly put into planes because of difficulties in supply. :)

 

What I would very much love to see is an F4 or G2 which is modeled to standard (unlike what is presented in BOS for example). That however basically would need a completely new design process. :(

 

There are far more things you can with a fully fleshed out WW2 flight sim than just dogfight in the best fighter available in the mid of the map.

And TBH i would limit the amount K4 and D9 version on the ACG Server if we had G's and A8.

 

The K4 never used 20 mm in the prob hub.

Currently the plane set and projected Normandy map are mis-matched - the 109K and 190D are more appropriate for a Battle of the Bulge style map.

I fail to see how a G10 for example would fit that timeframe any better. You would need a G14 with just about different everything to fit in.

 

To name a few: different wing bulges, wheels, sporn, antennas, many systems, most likely different cowling, motor, prop, rudder...

 

The K4 never used 20 mm in the prob hub.

As far as I remember there were 109 K4 ERLA production batches with MG 151/20 installed. I think thats how it was mentioned in Jochen Priens book? Dont remember exactly..

 

found something on that:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2196174&postcount=306

Edited January 8, 2016 by rel4y

Here is only one known foto of K-4 build by Erla, Wr.N. 570375, does anybody see any evidence of 20mm cannon mounted inside?

Only short fixed tail wheel is sure and may be nose cowling is same like was used for G-10 Erla, nothing more...

 

With all respect, G-10 Erla with specific cowling (type 110 i think, typical for G-10,K-4 was type 100) are in Jochen Priens book (which i have) mentioned as a G-10AS, soo not everythink in book has to be truth.

Here is only one known foto of K-4 build by Erla, Wr.N. 570375, does anybody see any evidence of 20mm cannon mounted inside?

Only short fixed tail wheel is sure and may be nose cowling is same like was used for G-10 Erla, nothing more...

 

With all respect, G-10 Erla with specific cowling (type 110 i think, typical for G-10,K-4 was type 100) are in Jochen Priens book (which i have) mentioned as a G-10AS, soo not everythink in book has to be truth.

 

Well you are right. There is no way to prove it, it seems very likely though. ERLA built high performance G10/K4 and other factories just slapped parts together as supplies allowed, making MG 151s in K4s probable. I agree with you though. I just would really like to see a 151 in a K4 i guess.. :cry:

There are far more things you can with a fully fleshed out WW2 flight sim than just dogfight in the best fighter available in the mid of the map.

And TBH i would limit the amount K4 and D9 version on the ACG Server if we had G's and A8.

 

The K4 never used 20 mm in the prob hub.

 

I agree and confirm 109K4 was mk108 only and only wiki says something about mg151, but that has no real evidence nor reference.

The sky's were not exactly covered with K-4s and Dora's in late 44-45. Seeing G models would be awesome. 190 A4-6 as well to make these match ups on line more historical.

 

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The sky's were not exactly covered with K-4s and Dora's in late 44-45. Seeing G models would be awesome. 190 A4-6 as well to make these match ups on line more historical.

 

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You are perfectly wrong as a matter of fact. And 190A4 for 44/45? :lol: Pleaaase....

I wouldn't be too interested in another late one, but if someone created an "E" or "F" I would buy it if it isn't too expensive.