cichlidfan Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 I do expect that ED will help matters soon....by encouraging better communication going forward. Right. :lol: ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
howie87 Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 Lol, because they're the kings of keeping us in the loop... VEAO and Leatherneck could teach the rest of the 3rd parties AND ED a lesson or two about keeping in touch with the community.
Darkwolf Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 ED has always been ED. They have been doing some efforts lately. I still regret the weekly update but yet they are not comparable. They is regular devellopers commenting subject thru the forum. They are regulary posting pictures of upcoming products They are providing open beta of patches They do post preliminary updates. Do this can be better ? Of course. Nothing is perfect. Is this comparable to RRG ? I wouldn't make that shortcut : For 2014 - Regarding ED - They've been 11 official thread, which account for 19 messages, since 1/1/2014. That make an average of 2.2 thread/month; 3.8post/month. I don't count message other than in the official section. Luthier has 1 post for 2014. Stop firing at ED. They aren't the best, but they don't compare, here. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] PC simulator news site. Also....Join the largest DCS community on Facebook :pilotfly:
cichlidfan Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 Stop firing at ED. They aren't the best, but they don't compare, here. I am not 'firing' at ED, just pointing out that they aren't going to do anything about RRG. Unless Luthier is not performing by the standards of whatever contract he/RRG has with ED, then there is nothing they can do about it. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
upupandaway Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Meeting on skype with nothing to discuss is pointless If the development has progressed until this day (which it certainly has) why shouldn´t there be anything to discuss with or present to a select group of backers? We have actually seen lots of media, code is being worked on in the background, 3d models and map assets are being or have been created. 6 weeks ago the 109 was taking flight - wouldn´t it be fascinating to hear some privileged details of the development process? Where would be the problem to offer the people who pledged the appropriate amount some kind of NDA that gives them access under a spectator status? A quick look behind the curtain so to speak. If it´s just about a brief chat on Skype no media would have to be prepared beforehand. Just as a sidenote - what Rudel did with his work on Twitch was actually a great idea of Leatherneck. To me as a person with no background in software development it was a quite fascinating insight into his work... Edited June 4, 2014 by upupandaway [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Deedle, deedle!
Grim_Smiles Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 I refuse to accept, at this stage, that it's just not going to happen at all but I'm usually refered to as an optimist. Meeting on skype with nothing to discuss is pointless but if it does not take place within the development period prior to official release, I will be looking for a refund, as this was a factor in pledging that amount. At least once alpha hits I think it would be reasonable for him to start doing them, and I'm really hoping for you guys that I'm wrong in my earlier post and that Luthier honors that promise. "Hurled headlong flaming from the ethereal sky; With hideous ruin and combustion down; To bottomless perdition, there to dwell; In adamantine chains and penal fire" (RIG info is outdated, will update at some point) i5 @3.7GHz (OC to 4.1), 16GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 970 4GB, TrackIR 5 & TrackClip Pro, TM Warthog HOTAS, VKB T-Rudder Mk.IV, Razer Blackshark Headset, Obutto Ozone
kazereal Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 Lol, because they're the kings of keeping us in the loop... VEAO and Leatherneck could teach the rest of the 3rd parties AND ED a lesson or two about keeping in touch with the community. True, but also look at Belsimtek: they have made Huey, Mi-8, F-15 PFM and F-86F and usually they don't talk much about release until they are ready for release.. "I would have written a shorter post, but I did not have the time."
ED Team NineLine Posted June 4, 2014 ED Team Posted June 4, 2014 Lol, because they're the kings of keeping us in the loop... VEAO and Leatherneck could teach the rest of the 3rd parties AND ED a lesson or two about keeping in touch with the community. ED has chosen their communication policy on a number of items listed many times before. It cant really be compared to ED as they really dont have any products out being crunched by the general public. I hope they are able to maintain their policies, but as stated, ED was unable to. So your comparison really doesnt hold water in this case... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Bounder Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Whilst I'm personally not that bothered about an update every week, near on six weeks of hearing nothing is a little worrying and it would be nice to hear something since weekly updates were promised as part of the kickstarter. We know from Sithspawn that work is continuing and there are no problems but the blackout in communications obviously worrying many. Luthier seems to be shooting himself in the foot with community relations and it's over something that to me seems quite minor and easily remedied. Luthier has 1 post for 2014. Wow. :unsure: Whilst Luther's communication of late hasn't been great, the above is simply untrue - the account Luthier posts under on the DCS forums (Luthier1) has at least 17 posts in 2014 that I can see from a quick view of the history. Whether that's good enough is another thing but we should be fair to the man and though I'm sure it's unintentional, false info like that helps no-one. Edited June 4, 2014 by Bounder 1 My PC specs: Win10 64 Pro, CPU i7-3820 4.4GHz, 16GB RAM, GPU Nvidia 1070 (8gb vram). Controls: Microsoft FFB2, Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle, MFG Crosswind Pedals, TrackIR5. My DCS Youtube Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/No64Bounder
Sharpe Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 as long as 6 weeks doesn't turn into 6 six years. I've been around long enough to remember 2 weeks turning into 2 years. 1
GeorgeLKMT Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 Luthier himself might not have many forum posts, but there were more than enough interesting updates already from KS page itself. And hopefully more to come. I know that some of you probably want him to sit here 24/7 and answer every possible question (read: six million "where is the update" and "when is the release"), but I would prefer him working on things. Communication is nice but it's the results that matters 1 ■ L-39C/ZA Czech cockpit mod ■ My DCS skins ■
Whiplash Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 Yep, I knew one post in 2014 was way low. In the first week after we got the backer forum and the beta backer site on DCS I thought his level of support and presence was on point. Unfortunately, he has gone MIA again. I have no doubt that we are going to get some kind of WWII addition to DCS by the time this is all said and done. I am only disappointing because I think crowd funding is an excellent way to rapidly expand the genre, when done correctly, and it's pretty apparent to me at this point that we won't be seeing a successful B-17 Kickstarter or anything of the like anytime soon. Five years from now when other 3rd parties like VEAO have released their WWII modules and we finally have a bomber we'll all look back at this as a minor bump in the road, however it will only take us years to get there… [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the street and then getting hit by an airplane." Dogs of War Dedicated WWII Server Thread
leafer Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 With ED attending E3, I start to think there is the reason behind the info lock down. I know that doesn't excuse Luthier1 from posting as much if that's the case. ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P
Phantom453 Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 ..... I know that some of you probably want him to sit here 24/7 and answer every possible question Nah, not me. I'd be happy with the 10-20 minutes once a week for the update that Luthier promised. ..... Communication is nice but it's the results that matters Communication is indeed nice. But when said communication (weekly updates) was one of the "results" that was promised, and you took people's money up front, then you should deliver - no ifs , no buts. "Weekly updates" was one of the promised deliverables for this project. The unfortunate flow on from this is than many here may have second thoughts now about going down the crowd funding path for future DCS projects. Hence the next crowd funded project by some new developer, or even one of the other existing 3rd Party developers, may not get up to see the light of day, purely because of the lingering bad taste left by RRG.
Merlin-27 Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 If the development has progressed until this day (which it certainly has) why shouldn´t there be anything to discuss with or present to a select group of backers? We have actually seen lots of media, code is being worked on in the background, 3d models and map assets are being or have been created. 6 weeks ago the 109 was taking flight - wouldn´t it be fascinating to hear some privileged details of the development process? Where would be the problem to offer the people who pledged the appropriate amount some kind of NDA that gives them access under a spectator status? A quick look behind the curtain so to speak. If it´s just about a brief chat on Skype no media would have to be prepared beforehand. Just as a sidenote - what Rudel did with his work on Twitch was actually a great idea of Leatherneck. To me as a person with no background in software development it was a quite fascinating insight into his work... Stop making sense! :) Yes, that is what I imagined from the start. Thus my pledge. The reality has been a little different, unfortunately. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] [Dogs of War] WWII COMBAT SERVER | P-51D - FW190-D9 - Me109-K4 Visit Our Website & Forum to Get More Info & Team Speak Access
dougandtoni Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Yep, I knew one post in 2014 was way low. In the first week after we got the backer forum and the beta backer site on DCS I thought his level of support and presence was on point. Unfortunately, he has gone MIA again. I have no doubt that we are going to get some kind of WWII addition to DCS by the time this is all said and done. I am only disappointing because I think crowd funding is an excellent way to rapidly expand the genre, when done correctly, and it's pretty apparent to me at this point that we won't be seeing a successful B-17 Kickstarter or anything of the like anytime soon. Five years from now when other 3rd parties like VEAO have released their WWII modules and we finally have a bomber we'll all look back at this as a minor bump in the road, however it will only take us years to get there… They certainly have ruined any further contributions to any kickstarter project for me. I thought the kickstarter module was a good idea in therory. Now hypothetically here IF and I do say if they have shot through with the money I would imagine it would be neer on imposible to get it back. What options would one have???
El Hadji Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 if they have shot through with the money I would imagine it would be neer on imposible to get it back. What options would one have??? None, I'm afraid... At least no options that would make sense in economic terms given the amount of money I pitched. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
upupandaway Posted June 6, 2014 Posted June 6, 2014 Stop making sense! :) Yes, that is what I imagined from the start. Thus my pledge. The reality has been a little different, unfortunately. Sorry, didn´t mean to pour more salt on an open wound... It´s just so blatantly obvious, but I´ll keep quiet for now. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Deedle, deedle!
hattrick Posted June 6, 2014 Posted June 6, 2014 Fool us once shame on you..... fool us twice, shame on us :doh: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
dougandtoni Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Fool us once shame on you..... fool us twice, shame on us :doh: The whole kick-starter module is the one that really dips out here though. I and a few others that I have spoken to will never pledge anything via kick-starter anymore even though it is not really their problem.
Darkwolf Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Thus my pledge. The reality has been a little different, unfortunately. Well- That obviously don't worth a single cent to ease the pain, but as a flight sim enthousiat, I needed to say thank you for your huge support that is indirectly helping us enjoying WW2 birds we wouldn't be able to fly IRL. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] PC simulator news site. Also....Join the largest DCS community on Facebook :pilotfly:
Uufflakke Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Now hypothetically here IF and I do say if they have shot through with the money I would imagine it would be neer on imposible to get it back. What options would one have??? Well, the first Kickstarter lawsuit takes place for not delivering a promised product: http://www.geekwire.com/2014/attorney-general-asylum-playing-cards-crowdfunded-project/
MACADEMIC Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Well, the first Kickstarter lawsuit takes place for not delivering a promised product: http://www.geekwire.com/2014/attorney-general-asylum-playing-cards-crowdfunded-project/ This is really good news for backers who fund projects in good faith, and really bad news for people who collect money on empty promises. :censored: comes to mind. MAC
Absolut Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 when i watch the News every day, i think the last Problem they have is to deliver updates for a game instead of take care what goes on in their land..... but maybe i,m wrong..... but if not, thoose People who are frustraded about lack of informations should calm down and wait with respect.
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