Development updates?

[NineLine]

Champion of the people Sithspawn might be able to direct our concerns to something resembling the proper channels but I don't think we'll ever get a direct response out of Ilya.

 

I am a fan like you guys, I want nothing more than to see this project do well. I might have slightly more insight, so I probably worry less. That being said, I feel your pain on the updates, I do see movement on things, but as I was talking to my co-worker today, we were talking about how its impossible to really be out of touch with all the tech now-a-days (I remember when you could actually miss a phone call because you werent home :) ). That said, I hope all is ok with Ilya, and I hope we hear from him soon. I will ask around a bit and see if I can gain any insight. But RRG is their own entity, so its not as easy as touching base with an ED dev.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

and actually sith, its really really sad that you actually "have" to do this at all...my assumption is, that you were part of the reason why we finally got a beta backers forum, and access to our rewards...and luthier was even on the forums for about two days...

his behaviour would have to be tolerated, if there wasnt updates and communication promised within the kickstarter...but he did promise it..thats just not acceptable.i know my complaint wont cause any difference, but where should i complain and ask for the things i was promised if not here...

[DB 605]

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his behaviour would have to be tolerated, if there wasnt updates and communication promised within the kickstarter...but he did promise it..thats just not acceptable.i know my complaint wont cause any difference, but where should i complain and ask for the things i was promised if not here...

 

Totally agreed there. As said many times already, it would take less than 5 minutes to write update once in week, there's no need to have big news or new screens in every update.

[upupandaway]

I probably worry less.

 

I don´t worry either, but I suspect that with regard to revealing their development progres, RRG is perhaps restricted by NDAs just like everybody else. Ells had to remove his EDGE/Hawk/WIP screenshots as well.

The project is probably doing fine considering all the current transitions in DCS. How many people do seriously think the DCS WWII project is about to fail or suffer a huge setback?! Still, it´s also about reciprocity or the lack thereof...

[fastfreddie]

How many people do seriously think the DCS WWII project is about to fail or suffer a huge setback?! Still, it´s also about reciprocity or the lack thereof...

 

I don't think we will see the Cliff of Dover type debacle that went on for years but like Sith said ... its really impossible to be out of touch with anyone these days.

[cichlidfan]

... its really impossible to be out of touch with anyone these days.

 

Unless you want to be.

[leafer]

Exactly. Unless his NDA specifically says he can't drop by to say hello once in a while.

[Stonehouse]

I did notice that luthier's last forum access was 31/5/2014 so I assume he is incommunicado for a reason and not just because he can't be bothered. Given recent history with Clod and how it was received he cannot be unaware of what success for RRG means to his future so perhaps he is not communicating because of something said in the "Monday meeting". It's all speculation in any case but I find it somewhat hopeful that he still is looking at the forums. At present I take the attitude that I've spent the money and have faith that at least I'll end up with the FW190 because that is something coming via ED and keep my fingers crossed that RRG will deliver their part of the exercise. Still very frustrating the lack of news though.

[gonk]

I don't think we will see the Cliff of Dover type debacle that went on for years but like Sith said ... its really impossible to be out of touch with anyone these days.

Never say never.... Sadly history can and does repeat...

[otto]

Honestly i give my thanks to the creators of clod because without them i wold not have the great version of clod i play today.

Something that's not such a great thing at start can change and evolve. If they created nothing we would still have nothing.

Even if DCS WWII: Europe 1944 is not a "perfect" simulation at first, it can get perfect in time.

[Koriel]

The 190 is being developed by ED, not RRG, while RRG is helping with some aspects, they have no say on the timeline. There wasnt going to be an Alpha on the Dora, we dont know if ED will do any sort of Beta, they havent said.

 

I generally buy all flightsims out there. Some of which I haven't even flown! All to support the community. I backed development, bought multiple copies sometimes.

 

My primary reason for supporting this one was the 190. At that time I didn't even know that the 190 was a ED project. Just that it was being developed for DCS World.

 

I feel cheated by this whole charade. Whish I never had supported this project. I know unforseen circumstances can alter timetables. But the complete and utter silence, completely disregarding their own Kickstarter promisses and Kickstarted policy, makes this project look like a scam.

[Krupi]

I generally buy all flightsims out there. Some of which I haven't even flown! All to support the community. I backed development, bought multiple copies sometimes.

 

My primary reason for supporting this one was the 190. At that time I didn't even know that the 190 was a ED project. Just that it was being developed for DCS World.

 

I feel cheated by this whole charade. Whish I never had supported this project. I know unforseen circumstances can alter timetables. But the complete and utter silence, completely disregarding their own Kickstarter promisses and Kickstarted policy, makes this project look like a scam.

 

As much as I agree with you to a certain degree ED always seem to keep there fans in a certain degree of darkness and we know Luthier will not be winning awards for his PR as he takes a similar stance to ED ;) but one thing we do know is that they both produce great Sims so as frustrating as the wait is I know it will be worth it so just a little bit of patience is required :)

[bongodriver]

And best part is patience costs us nothing.

[jctrnacty]

Everything takes time

[Darkwolf]

Exactly. Unless his NDA specifically says he can't drop by to say hello once in a while.

 

do you really think that he would have a bigger NDA than Leatherneck and VEAO ?

 

Leatherneck (and formally Bzcel) are what... 1.5, 2 years late now ? This never prevented them to drop by and say hello, answer a couple of questions or when they can't, at least drop a message to say that they'll answer as soon as possible.

I can't understand how some studios can't, and I can even less understand why people try to find argument to defend them, by the sake of fanboy'ism.

[Koriel]

As much as I agree with you to a certain degree ED always seem to keep there fans in a certain degree of darkness and we know Luthier will not be winning awards for his PR as he takes a similar stance to ED ;) but one thing we do know is that they both produce great Sims so as frustrating as the wait is I know it will be worth it so just a little bit of patience is required :)

 

Being kept in the dark by ED, and then being surprised by them is something different.

 

Here I have paid RRG $91 for amongst other things alpha access and weekly updates.

 

As far as I'm concerned he has neglected on the latter part of that deal. Very simple, and as far as I'm concerned unforgivable. If you go the kickstarter route to gather funding for your project the minimum you could do is deliver on the parts you can. In my world that means providing information on a weekly basis. AS PROMISED and PAID FOR.

[upupandaway]

do you really think that he would have a bigger NDA than Leatherneck and VEAO ?

 

Leatherneck (and formally Bzcel) are what... 1.5, 2 years late now ? This never prevented them to drop by and say hello, answer a couple of questions or when they can't, at least drop a message to say that they'll answer as soon as possible.

I can't understand how some studios can't, and I can even less understand why people try to find argument to defend them, by the sake of fanboy'ism.

 

I think their NDA might impact their work more severely because they have more access to ED´s internal affairs than others. After all DCSWWII is supposed to be some kind of independent parallel platform. They are closely entangled with ED and the work they do on some of the next modules. It´s basically the only reason for their PR policy that I can think of, because by now they pretty much mimic ED´s policy.

 

-> RRG´s map will be made for/in EDGE - ED hasn´t shown anything of the NTTR running in EDGE recently - only Georgia - so perhaps until that´s properly intergrated they can´t showcase anything because ED strictly wants to keep the lid on things. Plus, they don´t like showing off unfinished work, i. e. images from the map viewer.

 

-> The Dora is basically ED´s baby, so they probably decide what´s being shown and when, even if RRG has done some of the work for them.

 

- That pretty much leaves the 109 & Co. I really llike to think that this is just the calm before the storm. In the weeks leading up to May they didn´t seem to have any problems with showing their work on the cockpits and external models... (which looked great BTW)

Edited June 3, 2014 by upupandaway

[Krupi]

Actually I would love to know some more about the P-47, we still don't know which version they have chosen to give us.

 

I would also like to see something on AI aircraft and ground units as I am a fighter/bomber pilot after all and do not want this to be a dogfighting only sim :)

[NineLine]

Pretty sure its the P-47D-30, unless of course something has changed, but that was what I was to understand.

[Grim_Smiles]

As much as I agree with you to a certain degree ED always seem to keep there fans in a certain degree of darkness and we know Luthier will not be winning awards for his PR as he takes a similar stance to ED ;) but one thing we do know is that they both produce great Sims so as frustrating as the wait is I know it will be worth it so just a little bit of patience is required :)

 

Thing is ED never promised us updates and thus doesn't need to give any unless they want to (as much as I'd like that to change). Part of the kickstarter was that Luthier would give updates and not keep people in the dark. I feel bad for the guys who contributed to the amount that gets them regular Skype meetings with Luthier, because that's just not going to happen.

 

That said, this doesn't need to be a "sky is falling" issue and no one needs to be worried or suspicious about the project just because Luthier quit with updates. There is no reason to believe the project is in any kind of danger or that it is a scam (it isn't). Sure I'm annoyed at the silence, but I'm giving RRG the benefit of the doubt that they are just "nose to the grindstone" at the moment over something big and they will come at us later. When Luthier started talking about alpha with the 109, I was suspecting he'd go silent again while this was happening. We'll just have to see how long it takes before Luthier finally lets us in on what is going on.

[Grim_Smiles]

Pretty sure its the P-47D-30, unless of course something has changed, but that was what I was to understand.

 

That's what I understood as well, though Luthier did mention they were including parts for other variants to the model just to see which ends up being the easier to do, so there is always the chance that this could change. It probably won't change, but I guess we won't know until it gets finalized.

[Buzzles]

I also feel as if I should chime in.

 

I am simply disappointed with the lack of updates from RRG. It's one thing to follow ED's stance and only say something when you've got something to say, but it's another thing entirely to promise weekly updates as part of a funding drive, deliver them for a few weeks, and then go into full dark mode for 6+ weeks.

 

I'm not asking for a big expansive post every week, but it's not exactly hard to do a forum post with about 5-10 lines saying what's been going on, even if it's just something like:

"Kept working on the BF109, started on system x. Progressing as planned.

Also did a bit on the BF 109 manual.

FW190 cockpit textures getting another pass.

That's all as 3d modeller is on holiday."

 

That's really all that's required.

 

I'm not angry, not going to throw my toys around, just simply disappointed that we haven't even got a paragraph on a per week basis.

[Merlin-27]

I feel bad for the guys who contributed to the amount that gets them regular Skype meetings with Luthier, because that's just not going to happen.

 

I refuse to accept, at this stage, that it's just not going to happen at all but I'm usually refered to as an optimist. Meeting on skype with nothing to discuss is pointless but if it does not take place within the development period prior to official release, I will be looking for a refund, as this was a factor in pledging that amount.

[Darkwolf]

Well - after DCS WW2, i'm not sure they will be able to run a new game out of a kickstarter ^^

[lennycutler]

I have confidence that all will end well here....however, there is no excuse for the lack of communication...lack of updates.....lack of consideration for the community that is highly interested....and that goes well beyond those that supported the Kickstarter effort.

 

I do expect that ED will help matters soon....by encouraging better communication going forward.

 

Frankly, I will not support another crowd funding effort again.....it is just too frustrating.