What is Eagle Dynamics doing wrong?

[Sobecho]

So instead of releasing planes from WWII, how about you give people what they really want. Jet aircraft ? F/A-18, F-15E, F-16!?, F-14 maybe. Hell, even the F-22 or let me fly a E-3 AWACS or KC-135 for some supporting role fun ( look i know plane names :thumbup: )

 

I mean, and I would assume people play DCS because of its roots in jet fighters and bombers. If people want prop aircraft from back in the day, here is the link to War Thunder...

 

http://warthunder.com/

 

I just don't understand why its being left to other company's to make the aircraft. Most of them cant give a release date, or get some much shit they want to do they can stay on task. I mean its nice to have a aircraft that is like the A-10C where I have full control. Can Eagle Dynamics not produce the F-15E or F/A-18 at the level of detail?

 

wtf is going on, over? :cry:

[Sceptre]

Okay I'll begin with this.... Eagle is developing an F/A-18C at this time, but they haven't released pics/videos of it because I would assume it is still very much WIP.

For modern jets, there is also a MiG-21Bis being developed by Leatherneck, Eurofighter and Hawk by VEAO, Mirage 2000 by RAZBAM, F/A-18E Super Hornet by Coretex and probably others I forgot to name.

I assume Eagle is also busy with the release of EDGE coming up hopefully, and the integration of the F-86 and MiG into that game.

 

 

If people want prop aircraft from back in the day, here is the link to War Thunder...

 

http://warthunder.com/

 

Are you kidding me? Warthunder is NOT a flight simulator and does not aim to please the hardcore simulation fans; it's an arcade game.

 

 

Modern aircraft as most people know are a lot more complex than WW2 planes, take the A-10C for example. It took Eagle Dynamics 5 ish years to build this simulator and that was because they had clearance from the American National Guard to use their information for the game. Or at least that's what I've read. What was the result of this wait? The most realistic, top quality flight simulation that raised the bar and set a new standard.

The World War 2 planes attract a lot of simulation fans, as DCS WW2 is the only sim currently that has fully clickable professional flight and systems modelling planes. People that love IL-2 (such as myself) but wish it took the realism to the next level and added the functionality of the cockpits, DCS WW2 is definitely looking promising to those people. If it's up to the same standard as the Mustang, then we'll all be happy :)

WW2 is a much bigger fan base than modern combat, and once it really takes off for DCS we will likely see a huge increase in funding and availability for more planes and possibly faster development.

 

I can assure you, a delayed release, is far better than a buggy/broken release that can cause an uprising on forums :D

Edited July 10, 2014 by Sceptre

[tintifaxl]

I for one, am very much looking forward to the old Warbirds. This has the potential to become the very best WW2 flight sim ever, if ED gives us a dedicated server at long last.

 

I prefer air vehicles that don't have too many complex systems to learn. The A-10C took me about a year to grasp and as much as I look forward to the F/A-18, I do fear the learning curve a little, too.

 

So in my book ED does it right, albeit a tad too slow.

[Sceptre]

Agreed, some of these late war warbirds that are announced look really exciting, I mean who doesn't want to fly a fully clickable BF-109K above the skies of Normandy?

[Sobecho]

I love that feeling i get when i get put in my place =D

[Sobecho]

What ever happen to the Nevada map that was getting released ?

[Sceptre]

Sorry if my first post appeared hostile towards you, this sort of stuff gets asked a lot here :)

 

EDIT: The Nevada map will be released with the new graphics engine which should be quite soon I hope :) The map is completed but awaiting full integration into the new engine, as posted by ED

[blackbelter]

I have to agree at least partially with OP. I personally would much prefer all devs dedicating their effort to modern instead of ancient birds...

 

But I also have noticed that there are in fact quite a few modern airframes being developed under the hood. ED won't mention them much because they still need some time (years) before their prime.

 

I also understand that sometimes things develop in a manner that is out of one's control (such as the dropping out of RRG).

[159th_Viper]

DCS is not and never has been limited to a specific time/era. As such, any arguments/debates relating to Modern/WWII/Jurassic etc etc are superfluous/irrelevant.

[Abburo]

Any vehicle adition like air/land/naval/space made in DCS spirit and respecting that level of detail is a very welcome addition.

 

WW2 era planes are just a great value added... I predict an increased dedicated servers after EDGE will come due to 1944's planes.

[Ells228]

Hey Sobecho,

A modern day jet takes about 1-2 years development, especially the ones that you mentioned. A WWII aircraft takes about 3-4 months.

 

So would you rather have a new aircraft every 1-2 years or something new to fly every few months. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

 

Cheers,

C.

[VTJS17_Fire]

... I mean who doesn't want to fly a fully clickable BF-109K above the skies of Normandy?

I don't. ;)

[Boomer20]

DCS is not and never has been limited to a specific time/era. As such, any arguments/debates relating to Modern/WWII/Jurassic etc etc are superfluous/irrelevant.

 

So when is DCS: Tyrannosaurus coming :lol:

 

I'm actually quite happy to see a range of aircraft from many eras. And if high quality content is coming out I don't mind what era it is.

[NeilWillis]

As long as it has wings, weapons, and lots of realism, it'll fit the DCS genre.

 

It's then up to the individual to use his/her discretion in choosing what to buy or what not to buy.

 

I suspect that for every modern fighter jock out here, there'll be 3 WWII jocks, so give DCS a break, they're businessmen as well as flight sim developers. More profit = more staff = more developments.

 

See the bigger picture.

[Isegrim]

For me it doesnt matter which Time/Area/Plane/Helicopter/Uboat/Spacecraft/Racecar or Tank.

 

I just have to like it.

[Boberro]

Agreed, some of these late war warbirds that are announced look really exciting, I mean who doesn't want to fly a fully clickable BF-109K above the skies of Normandy?

 

Me don't :P

 

I agree with OP - II WW is waste of time in DCS. There are plenty of great flight games around where DCS will NEVER achieve such immersion like is in IL-1946 as example.

[Devrim]

For me it doesnt matter which Time/Area/Plane/Helicopter/Uboat/Spacecraft/Racecar or Tank.

 

I just have to like it.

:D

 

For me it doesn't matter which helicopter/rotors/blades/doors/crew/avionics/weapons/skids or gears.

 

I just have to like and buy it. :)P

[Flagrum]

Hey Sobecho,

A modern day jet takes about 1-2 years development, especially the ones that you mentioned. A WWII aircraft takes about 3-4 months.

 

So would you rather have a new aircraft every 1-2 years or something new to fly every few months. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

 

Cheers,

C.

I would rather have a more modern aircraft every 1-2 years ... per 3rd party dev. :o)

 

I agree with the OP and several others that, for my taste, we are going to have more than enough WWII warbirds in the forseeable future. But as long, as was promised by all involved devs so far, the development of such newer aircrafts is not really hindered by the WWII stuff, I can happily live with it.

 

edit:

Just for the record: but disagree with the OP that all I really wanted were modern jets. All I REALLY want are ... modern(ish) helicopters!! :o)

[Sceptre]

All I REALLY want are ... modern(ish) helicopters!! :o)

 

Still wating for that Mi-24... *cough*belsimtek*cough*

[WinterH]

Two threads same day for same thing, so I'll just point to my post in other thread here too :) :

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2113886&postcount=8

 

Of course everyone has their opinions and should voice them. But I take issue with "development of old aircraft is a waste of time" and "people like dcs for jet combat" stances, some of my reasons are stated on above link.

 

Saying "you waste precious development time on old planes" is actually saying "my way or the highway", even if it is not the intention of people saying that (I'm sure isn't, and they are voicing their opinions but, it comes off meaning just that) :)

[Kuky]

I would like to ask (you don't have to answer, just think about it a little) anyone that asks why is ED releasing WWII planes, choppers etc.

 

If you were a developer like ED, and you were already working on modern aircraft like F/A-18, but were unable to complete such module for few years to come, but you have already cracked the ways to create PFM and ASM for simpler (avionics/weapons wise) aircraft that are also much easier to get right info for, would you:

 

a) continue to work on that modern aircraft only which would mean no income generated for a long time

 

or

 

b) let 3rd part modules (and ED can help also with man-power they have free not working on/parts of the modern aircraft) create the aircraft they have info for, and are able to produce high fidelity modules in fairly short time... and actually generate income while in process of developing the so-wanted modern fighter?

 

yes... now after you thought about, I am pretty sure you said to yourself... I'd pick b) thank you very much ;)

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

So instead of releasing planes from WWII, how about you give people what they really want.

 

People kind of backed the WW2 project. I think that should be indication that's what people want.

[Aginor]

WWII is pretty popular with people.

...ok, that sounded weird, you know what I was trying to say I guess.

 

They can produce 6 or more WWII-planes and sell them for $50 EACH, in the same time you can produce a single modern fighter to sell for $50-$70.

 

So yeah, they go where the money is. And lots of people like that as well.

[G00dnight]

Last I heard this was Digital Combat Simulator, Where does it mention JETS ONLY.

I fly it all as in real life you have to start on props to get to a jet.

[Flagrum]

I fly it all as in real life you have to start on props to get to a jet.

On a Fw 190 for example? :huh: